[32437] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Does AT&T provide IPv4HT ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (JIM FLEMING)
Tue Nov 21 17:42:07 2000
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From: "JIM FLEMING" <jfleming@anet.com>
To: "Jesper Skriver" <jesper@skriver.dk>,
"Daniel Golding" <dan@netrail.net>
Cc: <edelman@law.harvard.edu>,
"!Dr. Joe Baptista" <baptista@pccf.net>, <klensin@jck.com>,
<mcade@att.com>, "Bellovin,Steven M (Steve) - ALRES" <smb@att.com>,
<nanog@nanog.org>, <karl@cavebear.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:18:36 -0600
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I think we are in agreement. I am assuming that people will want to "touch"
the
TOS byte when they "create" a packet. I am also assuming that NANOG,
as a group, would want to support "end-to-end" Internet services. That seems
to imply that the NANOG people would endorse the notion of "what goes in
comes out". That arrangement encourages "stability". It seems odd that we
have
all of these ICANN people running around telling everyone that the
"stability"
of the Internet needs to be preserved, and then on the other hand, people
are
flippantly claiming to have total disregard for the contents of packets as
they
transit the IPv4 "cloud". To top it off, some companies apparently want to
be
seen as "proud" or "cool" for changing the contents of customer's packets.
...and then want to be called...."real operators"...go figure...
Jim Fleming
http://www.unir.com
Mars 128n 128e
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesper Skriver <jesper@skriver.dk>
To: Daniel Golding <dan@netrail.net>
Cc: JIM FLEMING <jfleming@anet.com>; <klensin@jck.com>; <mcade@att.com>;
Bellovin,Steven M (Steve) - ALRES <smb@att.com>; <nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Does AT&T provide IPv4HT ?
> And I could add, the ones that doesn't touch the TOS byte today, will
> probably do it tomorrow ...
>
> /Jesper
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:04:51PM -0500, Daniel Golding wrote:
> >
> > All together now... "No one cares, Jim".
> >
> > - Dan Golding
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of
> > JIM FLEMING
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:28 PM
> > To: klensin@jck.com; mcade@att.com; Bellovin,Steven M (Steve) - ALRES
> > Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> > Subject: Does AT&T provide IPv4HT ?
> >
> >
> >
> > Does AT&T provide, "end-to-end" IPv4 IP Header Transport ?
> > ....with the TOS field untouched ?
> >
> > Jim Fleming
> > http://www.unir.com/images/architech.gif
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> > http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/sdks/platform/tpipv6/start.asp
> >
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