[32432] in North American Network Operators' Group
"Real Operator"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (JIM FLEMING)
Tue Nov 21 16:58:59 2000
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From: "JIM FLEMING" <jfleming@anet.com>
To: "Randy Bush" <randy@psg.com>,
"John Leong" <johnleong@research.bell-labs.com>
Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>,
"Shankar Narayanaswamy (E-mail)" <shankar@bell-labs.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:36:58 -0600
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In my opinion, "real operators" pay careful attention to the basics, such as
quality of service, up-time, performance, true "end-to-end" IPv4 transport,
etc. The consesus here seems to be that NANOG is a group of hobbyists
with no "policy rudder" to steer them in a direction where the O implicitly
stands for "Real Operator". The Real Operators that I know have told me
that NANOG no longer cares, in other words, it is not like the old days.
I guess this is what happens when "operators" can not agree on how to
process the first 20 bytes in a packet header, in a consistent manner,
without
breaking things after the fact.
Jim Fleming
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----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
To: John Leong <johnleong@research.bell-labs.com>
Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>; Shankar Narayanaswamy (E-mail)
<shankar@bell-labs.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: Out of band monitoring of equipment
>
> > Curious if any operator uses, or have interest in using, out of band
> > network (e.g. modem, wireless etc.) for remote equipment (routers,
> > switches, HVAC etc.) monitoring over and above doing it in band on the
> > Internet.
>
> excuse the double negative, but i doubt that any real operator doesn't
>
> randy
>
>
