[31468] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: netscan.org update
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bennett Todd)
Sun Sep 24 18:16:27 2000
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:14:44 -0400
From: Bennett Todd <bet@rahul.net>
To: Patrick Greenwell <patrick@cybernothing.org>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Message-ID: <20000924181444.N543@oven.com>
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2000-09-23-21:39:37 Patrick Greenwell:
> Can someone explain to me why it is ok to blindly scan other
> peoples networks without their permission for smurf amplifiers and
> post the results, while doing the same for SMTP servers has met
> with heavy criticism?
How about, allowing IP Directed Broadcast may let your machines help
to shut down connectivity somewhere, but it doesn't show up in
peoples' mailboxes.
Spammers have collected such a rabid hatred that allowing your
company to be associated with them in any way, even aiding and
abetting, gets you shunned something fierce, it can generate
ill-will enough to push a company over the edge and out of business.
Being a smurf amplifier will never be known to customers of most
organizations; and even if they heard, they wouldn't understand what
it meant. So it doesn't generate the rabid hatred.
Getting listed with ORBS not only means your email gets blocked, it
also raises a fear that your site is likely to be featured in a
major spam torrent, and you are likely to catch a lot of the flak
and ill-will that follows; the pain inflicted on you is great, so
you whine loudly and try to blame ORBS for your neglect.
Being listed as a smurf-amplifier may get your site used to take out
other nets, but it won't earn you customers leaving and staying away
in droves.
Does anybody have any evidence one way or another on whether
spammers do or don't use ORBS to find relays?
-Bennett
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