[30972] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: IPv6 allocatin (was Re: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Hank Nussbacher)
Sun Sep 3 08:32:15 2000
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To: Deepak Jain <deepak@ai.net>, Shawn McMahon <smcmahon@eiv.com>
From: Hank Nussbacher <hank@att.net.il>
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At 17:02 01/09/00 -0400, Deepak Jain wrote:
> > The Internet as we know it took 30 years to come to everybody, and it was
> > providing something that essentially wasn't provided before.
> >
> > Internet2 provides the same thing, only faster; so why do we believe it
> will
> > replace the existing solution *EVER*, much less in a shorter time frame
> than
> > 30 years?
> >
> > The Internet is going to be with us for a very long time. Emphasis
> should be
> > on fixing it, not replacing it.
>
>Is it just me or is the Internet2 not a very big deal? Its based on OC-48c
>and OC-192c technology as far as I know, so why would its adoption change
>_anything_ except the some switch or router gear that guarantees QoS?
>
>I admit my information may be woefully out of date; I saw an article in
>InternetWeek about transfering a file at 40Mbit/s. I wouldn't see the big
>deal at 400Mbit/s.
A link to review first:
http://www.internet2.edu/news/html/i2lsr.html
In any event, Internet-2 is *not* about having a bigger pipe (best left to
James Cameron - if size really does matter) - it is about having a smarter
pipe.
Smartness may manifest itself as:
- on paper: QoS end to end
- in practice - the ability to view an MPEG-1 2Mb/sec video with no
packet loss from 6000 miles away. Try watching any of these at 2+Mb/sec:
http://media2.bmrc.berkeley.edu/demo/mpeg/
http://www.researchchannel.com/ondemand/duke/HalfTimePromo.html
http://www.researchchannel.com/ondemand/duke/Asx/ht_spot_m2_56m.asx
It doesn't matter how fat a pipe you have - it depends how loaded it may
be. Let me know how well you see it. I see it is fine - each and every
time - over a mere T3.
- on paper: going at 800Mb/sec end to end
- in practice: how many TCP tuned systems do you know out there that can
handle 800Mb/sec? I'll make it easier - how many systems that can handle
10Mb/sec TCP streams (sending) from coast to coast? Try:
http://www.psc.edu/networking/perf_tune.html
- in practice: ADSL users suddenly got huge performance boosts when they
realized they needed to tune their Windows TCP stack. I consider that a
trickle down affect of I2 research, already.
-Hank
>Deepak Jain
>AiNET
