[30772] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (multics@ruserved.com)
Wed Aug 30 14:19:24 2000
From: multics@ruserved.com
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To: nanog@merit.edu
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:03:29 -0400 (EDT)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0008301332280.11209-100000@Overkill.EnterZone.Net> from "John Fraizer" at Aug 30, 2000 01:38:17 PM
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> On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 multics@ruserved.com wrote:
>
> > > Name-based virtual hosting does not work in many, MANY cases. Beyond
> > > this, if you have multiple customers on a single IP address and one of
> > > them is an idiot and spamvertizes their website, several providers have a
> > > policy of nullrouting the /32. Now, not only does it kill a single site
> > > but, potentially hundreds!
> > >
> > > ---
> > > John Fraizer
> > > EnterZone, Inc
> >
> > That might be an advantage in fighting spam. Think of the potential
> > lawsuits against the hosting company and the spammer for loss of business
> > from the spam block. The hosting company should not have accepted a
> > spammer or as soon as they are known to be a spammer, they must take
> > action to prevent loss of business to the non-spammer customers ;)
>
>
> You've obviously not been in this situation before. Just how are you to
> know what a customer is going to do prior to turning them on? Do you have
> access to mindreaders? Do you submit your customers to a polygraph prior
> to enabling their port?
Yes I have. I accepted golfballs.net as a customer after confirming
that it was a new owner and specifically telling them that the wite
would go poof at the first sign of spam. goldballs.net had previously
been a pretty famous spammer.
Also note I said "or as soon as they are known to be a spammer" since you
can't tell what every customer is going to do in advance since if they
are a spammer they are likely to lie to you about spamming to begin with.
> I am fairly certain that the number of hosts that will accept a customer
> who says "I want your middle grade package and, oh, by the way, I'm going
> to be SPAMMING the planet to promote my site!" is very limited.
I would hope so.
> The potential lawsuits against the hosting company for loss of business
> are just more reason to use an individual IP per domain.
Yup, that's my point.
> ---
> John Fraizer
> EnterZone, Inc
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