[30654] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Now the idiots at ORBS are probing random dial-ups
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Payne)
Tue Aug 22 02:13:57 2000
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:12:12 -0700
From: John Payne <john@sackheads.org>
To: Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
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On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 01:02:57AM -0400, Barry Shein wrote:
>
> On August 21, 2000 at 19:23 john@sackheads.org (John Payne) wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 09:55:18PM -0400, Barry Shein wrote:
> > > Is there any reasonable way to tell these ORBS and MAPS losers
> > > "possibly good intentions, but so badly run that: no thanks" from the
> > > net administrator community.
> >
> > Don't lump ORBS and MAPS in the same boat... MAPS is run by well balanced,
> > sane individuals and doesn't commit net-abuse. ORBS on the other hand...
>
> No measurables, no reason to believe any of it is worth the trouble it
> causes (i.e., blocks any significant amount of spam), no due process,
> no review of principles possible, you can't even take your business
> elsewhere to get them out of your life, no one even gets to vote with
> their wallet.
What trouble does MAPS cause? RSS and DUL are blocking quite a bit of spam
for *me*. Dunno how much the RBL is blocking... 'cos I'm behind a BGP feed.
No measurables tho... sure - you get what you pay for. But, what trouble
does it cause?
> This is just vigilantism with all the potential for abuse with the
> usual pattern it takes on in non-cyber contexts wherein they mostly
> hassle honest citizens because the crooks are far too slick for such
> amateurish approaches so if you leave your car doors unlocked they
> slash the tires to teach you a lesson.
>
> P.S. We were accidentally blocked by MAPS once, PITA. I'm not
> impressed and it's not possible for an ISP to use MAPS.
And? Was it a justified listing? Or a spite listing? Details!
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