[29899] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Sabri Berisha)
Sun Jul 9 13:25:34 2000
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:15:17 +0200 (CEST)
From: Sabri Berisha <sabri@vuurwerk.nl>
To: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>
Cc: rdobbins@netmore.net, nanog@merit.edu
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On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
> > Sabri Berisha: Sunday, July 09, 2000 8:27 AM
> > I can understand your grief. However, I expect you to have
> > the same commen
> > sense most of us have and you will probably know who to blame
> > for this. Do
> > you wish to blame the spammers or the volunteers who fight
> > spam?
>
> Now that you mention it, yes I do. Spammers don't block access.
> The RBL, which my systems subscribe to, only lists systems that
> are PROVEN to originate or relay spam. ORBS simply is on the
> "close all relays" jihad even if the system never saw spam.
It is not about a war against open relays. It's about giving a network
admin the *choice* to accept mail from open relays.
> This
> is very Napoleanic, not something that I can condone. Also, as I
> said, there are valid reasons to allow third-party relays.
Allowing third-party relays may affect more than your own users...
> If you don't see requireing internal confidential email to go
> through an untrusted IAP mail hub as a security issue then we
> have nothing more to talk about.
Ever heared of pgp?
> > You can find the criteria on http://www.orbs.org
>
> The criteria is arguable, but more importantly, where is the
> oversight?
What do you mean by oversight?
> > You are free to come with a proposal?
>
> How about setting up a REAL organization for once, rather than
> these ad hoc hanging committees? You know, incorporate a
> non-profit, feed it $$$ and watch it grow? Require membership
> approval, oversight, etc.? You know, legitimate operations.
Like I said; come with a proposal and we can all see if we can agree on
it?
--
Sabri Berisha
