[29886] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: No, ORBS is a good tool [WAS: Alright, ORBS sucks - next topic, please ;) [was RE: RBL-type BGPservice for known rogue networks?]]
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (JP Donnio)
Sun Jul 9 05:34:32 2000
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From: "JP Donnio" <ml-nanog@TBS-internet.com>
To: "Eric A. Hall" <ehall@ehsco.com>
Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:31:30 +0200
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric A. Hall" <ehall@ehsco.com>
Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 10:22 PM
Subject: No, ORBS is a good tool [WAS: Alright, ORBS sucks - next topic,
please ;) [was RE: RBL-type BGPservice for known rogue networks?]]
>
> > It's great that their 'service' helped you; however, some of us would
> > prefer to rely upon our own skills and experience to ensure that our
> > systems are properly set-up.
>
> I don't know if you actually went out of your way to misrepresent my
> comments or if it was accidental. Either way, you're wrong again: The
> 'service' they provide is a database of VERIFIED open relays. It is a
> damn good service and is very a useful tool in the arsenal.
I totally agree with this statement.
Could someone please explain what is the truth in the mutual finger pointing
between Abovenet/MAPS and ORBS ?
On one hand you can read on the mail-abuse.org that :
"Effective 6/22/2000, we cannot accept submissions from you if you
refuse mail from sites listed by ORBS. ORBS has listed our
mailserver, and we'd therefore be unable to respond to your email.
(No, we're not running an open relay.)
"
Which seems totally false since I am using ORBS and I am able to exchange
email with the MAPS RSS staff.
On the other hand, ORBS claims Abovenet is blackholing /24 that contain ORBS
servers which I was totally unable to verify despite my path to ORBS goes
through Abovenet.
I am not aware of any listing of ORBS servers in MAPS not aware of listing
of MAPS servers in ORBS.
What is the truth in all this?
I do understand that Abovenet does not want ORBS to test its network and
that therefore Abovenet is listed in the untestable networks, but why is the
argument going any further? Isn't that a bit stupid? I mean some network
admin hate ORBS, some use part of it, some love it. Let each admin choose.
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