[29855] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Shawn McMahon)
Sat Jul 8 13:16:06 2000
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:13:50 -0400
From: Shawn McMahon <smcmahon@eiv.com>
To: nanog@merit.edu
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On Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 05:34:05PM +0200, Peter van Dijk wrote:
>=20
> > The ORBS approach:
> >=20
> > Put people on the list quickly, and make it easy for them to get back o=
ff the
> > list.
>=20
> This statement is in no way a political basis for ORBS.
That's right; it's a very simplified technical description of what happens.
You can get on the list after a single automatic test; not multiple complai=
nts,
not after being warned and refusing to fix things; just bang zoom, you're o=
n.
I was not value-judging it, nor was I attempting to speak to their motivati=
ons,
I was describing what happens.
> That's because MAPS is not automated, and not objective. MAPS relies on
> reports of abuse, which can be forged. IIRC MAPS does check if a server is
> an open relay. If it didn't I would rant :)
Again, nobody said it was objective. I was describing at a very high level=
how
it works.
As you will see from the rest of the discussion, the difference is important
because spam relays can be objectively tested, but script kiddie harbors are
going to be subjective.
That's an important distinction for our discussion, don't you agree?
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