[29839] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: scripts kiddie sites
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu)
Fri Jul 7 18:28:19 2000
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To: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:31:26 EDT."
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From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:00:09 -0400
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On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:31:26 EDT, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu said:
> http://www.orbs.org/hallofshame.html
>
> RR is listed there. They're getting their mail black-holed by any ORBS users
> because of it, so their customers are already unable to get where they want
> to go, and they're not taking action.
OK.. Following up my own post, so I don't need to clarify this *AGAIN*:
I'm not saying RR is a spam house. I'm not sayig that ORBS is good, bad, or
indifferent.
My point was merely that RR is *already* in a black-hole list, and their
customers are *already* unable to get to where they want to go as a result
of it (in that a RR customer can't mail to a site that uses ORBS). Therefor,
it's probably safe to say that RR won't change their business practices
merely because customers can't do what they want - it will require that
*enough* customers get *enough* upset that the resulting customer drain
to a non-blackholed ISP impacts the bottom line.
OK? Got that? RR has it's policies - I'm *NOT* making value judgements on
what said policies are. But said policies won't get changed unless their
bottom line is threatened. Customer complaints won't do it, unless they
swamp the call support center (thus threatening the bottom line) or cause
customers to migrate (thus threatening the bottom line).
Hopefully, I don't need to explain that *again*. ;)
--
Valdis Kletnieks
Operating Systems Analyst
Virginia Tech
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