[29832] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Shawn McMahon)
Fri Jul 7 17:23:32 2000
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:57:38 -0400
From: Shawn McMahon <smcmahon@eiv.com>
To: nanog@merit.edu
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In-Reply-To: <396641EA.3BCBF055@depaul.edu>; from jtk@depaul.edu on Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 03:47:38PM -0500
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On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 03:47:38PM -0500, John Kristoff wrote:
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> > Nonsense. It's a boycott, not a denial of service.
> > And it's just a boycott, it's not even picketting out front with signs.
>=20
> Perhaps I wasn't clear...
>=20
> The organization in question does nothing wrong... but somehow gets in
> the blackhole list either by someone spoofing their netblocks, from
> faked complaints or other means. Thus, causing the said organization to
> be denied connectivity by some malicious person(s).
No, it's still not a denial of service; it's a mass boycott for the wrong r=
eason.
If the Pope received faulty information that Disney was sacrificing babies =
inside
Snow White's castle, and called for all Catholics to boycott but didn't say=
they
had so, just that they should, could Disney sue the pope for preventing the=
m from=20
doing business?
No, because those Catholics could choose to ignore the Pope. They follow h=
im by
choice.
It's the same with the blackhole lists; people join on purpose, they're not
forced to. They can choose to not use the blackhole list any time they wan=
t to.
So far, every time somebody's threatened to sue the blackhole lists, they've
backed off once they've talked to the lawyers and had them research it. Th=
ere's
a reason for that.
If I as an individual choose to not use your services because somebody else
recommended it, I'm not preventing your network from functioning; I'm just =
not
allowing you to use *MY* network, and since you haven't paid for the privil=
ege,
you have nothing legitimate to bitch about.
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