[28067] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Policies: Routing a subset of another ISP's address block
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jesper Skriver)
Fri Apr 7 14:23:54 2000
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:20:47 +0200
From: Jesper Skriver <jesper@skriver.dk>
To: "Daniel L. Golding" <dan@netrail.net>
Cc: David Harrison <david.harrison@interpath.net>, nanog@merit.edu
Message-ID: <20000407202047.D85221@skriver.dk>
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In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.05L.10004051703230.21940-100000@cartman.netrail.net>; from dan@netrail.net on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 05:11:02PM -0400
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On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 05:11:02PM -0400, Daniel L. Golding wrote:
> Jesper,
>
> Do you then suggest the elimination of the ARIN multihomed issuance
> policy - which is, BTW, the method most folks use to get PI space these
> days? After all, you can't be truly multihomed without PI space in your
> scheme of things. This would seriously raise the bar for folks to get PI
> space in the first place. You would effectively ban anyone doing BGP
> advertisements that doesn't have their own PI space already. This is a
> troublesome suggestion. It denies the benefits of multihoming to small
> enterprises and ISPs, effectively discriminating against them.
Here in europe (RIPE instead of ARIN), you can request PI space, without
any guaranties of it being routeable, but it usually is.
> I find your line of reasoning, which is essentially "tough cookies" to be
> unconvincing. I must also assume that you haven't worked for a small ISP
> or CLEC recently, nor have you had such for a customer.
Actually I've helped quite a few such customers, my recommendation
usually is to get PI space from RIPE, and get both providers to announce
it from their ASN, this works quite well, and also save a ASN - if the
customer really want to run BGP, we have arrangements with other ISP's
here, that we find a private ASN (that none of us use currently), and
assign this ASN to the customer, and we then strip the private ASN on
the edges of our network.
> There must be room for providers of all sizes in the marketplace. If this
> thesis enjoyed widespread acceptance by the major Tier I ISPs, I have no
> doubt that it would be considered anti-competative.
Naturally there is room for everybody, but things still need to work.
/Jesper
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Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456
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Private: Geek @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-)
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