[27778] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Hi, we're from the government and we're here to help
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Henry R. Linneweh)
Mon Mar 13 03:44:43 2000
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:41:46 -0800
From: "Henry R. Linneweh" <linneweh@concentric.net>
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hmm interesting perspective, I will keep this in mind....
Sean Donelan wrote:
> On Fri, 10 March 2000, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
> > I believe this to be such a common communication protocol and procedures
> > for handling issues to be of great necessity and desireability. If 10% of
> > the vast number of people that have expressed their opinions on these
> > issues were each willing to put up a little money, we could solve this
> > problem once and for all.
>
> I used to work for a company which spent several hundred thousand dollars
> every year on memberships to various groups, and more money to send
> people to various meetings. My question always is when somone proposes
> forming yet another group, which groups should I drop my support so I
> can join your new group?
>
> If all the existing groups are broken, CERT, CIX, CNRI, FIRST, IETF, IOPS,
> NANOG, RIPE, etc, can any of them be fixed? Or is a new group the only
> option.
>
> In reality money isn't the biggest issue. I was naive once, and created
> a business plan for a new group. ISPs and VCs were willing to give me
> lots of money. The real problems were time, people and information.
> Companies are more than willing to join new groups, and add their logos
> to the membership page. But too often their engineers are told they are
> not allowed to contribute or acknowledge any issues or problems. All
> they can do is say "Here" when roll is called.
>
> I can start setting up the infrastructure tommorrow, but until something
> happens to permanently scare the heck out of the boards and stockholders,
> any new group will just be a shell.
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Thank you;
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Henry R. Linneweh
