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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:09:25 -0500 (EST) From: Deepak Jain <deepak@ai.net> To: Jeremy Porter <jerry@fc.net> Cc: Jeff Mcadams <jeffm@iglou.com>, nanog@merit.edu In-Reply-To: <200001242036.OAA24110@freeside.fc.net> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0001241707430.25953-100000@aries.ai.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu I guess there is a misunderstanding between what an educational institution views IT costs as. IT costs (more bandwidth, etc) are 100% overhead. Most have no way of recovering these costs as an increase in revenue. Most corporations, etc could pass this fee on to supported organizations, but from what I understand of Universities, its 100% unrecovered overhead. Hence, no business model. Any bits over 0 are therefore expensive. Regards, Deepak Jain AiNET On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Jeremy Porter wrote: > > > > O is for Operator > Hm... I thought this was NANOG. > Presumably even universities have the capability to allocate costs > to internal customers. > more bits = good > less bits = bad > Pretty simple. > The question that would be correct for this forum, is what > techniques do network operators use to measure and scale service for > high bandwidth applications. > > In message <20000124152605.A25299@iglou.com>, Jeff Mcadams writes: > > > >Thus spake Randy Bush > >>> Since these apps are becoming more and more prevalent, as college students > >>> are huge collectors of digital music, and as bandwidth is always a > >>> concern, I am wondering what others in either the educational or business > >>> community are doing in light of this. > > > >>pretending we're in business, charging for bandwidth, and crying all > >>the way to the bank. > > > >>when the customer wants more of your product, and if you find this > >>negative, then your business model needs re-evaluation. > > > >Considering that his email address ended in ".edu" and was asking his > >question as a representative of such an institution (which you > >considerably cut out of your response ;), I would say that your > >statement about his business model needing re-evaluation is a bit > >uncalled for. > > > >I will agree that you, as a business-person, would find the extra use of > >bandwidth of something like napster nice because you then go on and > >charge for the bandwidth...being in the business environment myself, I > >wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment...but I also understand that > >the original poster is not working from the same paradigm. :) > >-- > >Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com > >Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 > >IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 > > > > --- jerry@fc.net > Failure is a natural consequence of any nonscalable activity. -- PV > >
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