[26626] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Derek J. Balling)
Mon Jan 10 19:11:32 2000
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:03:00 -0800
To: "Shawn McMahon" <smcmahon@eiv.com>, <nanog@merit.edu>
From: "Derek J. Balling" <dredd@megacity.org>
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Heck, I think it'd be funny for French Canadian officials to demand that a
US company advertise in French. :) I think it'd be especially nifty if
they chose Dean's company as a "test case".
He offers consulting services... he's offering them to anyone, which means
that, using Dean's interpretation of the law, a Canadian official could
claim that he was committing a crime in the Province of Quebec by not using
French as the language on his web site. :)
D
At 06:51 PM 1/10/00 -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote:
>You better hope a court strikes that interpretation down, Dean.
>
>If it holds, then it would mean that the reverse could also be true.
>
>Imagine one of your users posts something defamatory to the Chinese
>government on their web site, and a Chinese web browser picks it up.
>
>Congratulations, your network just sent information into China that
>violates Chinese law.
>
>Better hope we don't sign an extradition treaty with them any time soon.
>
>Similar crimes, albeit with less nasty punishments, could happen with
>countries with which we *DO* have extradition treaties.
>
>This is a can of worms that will bite us all in the ass, if opened.
>Fortunately, I doubt that you'll get far.
>
>I sure hope you don't. I'd hate to see what happens if, say, somebody
>uses my email server to send a death threat to, say, the President of
>France.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dean Anderson" <dean@av8.com>
>To: "Adrian J Close" <adrian@esec.com.au>
>Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>
>Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 5:00 PM
>Subject: Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion
>
>
> > I've already spoken with FBI about juridiction. FBI considers crimes
> > against US computers to be US crimes, even when initiated from foriegn
> > countries. They can extradite for this. That it originated from NZ
>isn't
> > an issue. While the FBI agreed that these were indeed violations, my
> > initial complaint was not prosecuted because we could at the time only
>come
> > up with $900 in damages. We are closing on the $100K mark, where I'll
>make
> > an updated complaint, which I hope will get more attention.
