[26603] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (I Am Not An Isp)
Sun Jan 9 17:26:01 2000
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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 14:24:14 -0800
To: nanog@merit.edu
From: I Am Not An Isp <patrick@ianai.net>
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At 05:00 PM 1/9/00 -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
>We do ignore them. They are pretty ineffective at causing any mail problems
>for us. Which is another good reason not to use them. However, they enable
>spammers to find relays. Particularly annoying to me is they enable
>spammers to find our relay. When ORBS was blocked from 11/24 to 12/15, our
>relay troubles stopped. Spammers can't relay without a list of relays.
>ORBS provides that list.
Why don't you go after mail-abuse.org? They have an open relay list and I
thought they wanted to make new law. (Someone from mail-abuse.org is
welcome to correct me if my impression is incorrect.) That way at least
both parties are willing participants in the litigation.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of ORBS and do not use it. But I
would hate to see what happens if lists of publicly available information
is judged illegal.
I wonder if search engines can be sued for listing sites they found through
web crawling? I can just claim I do not want to password protect my
sensitive information and now that people are finding the page in a search
engine they are downloading said sensitive information without my
approval. So it MUST be the search engine's fault, or better yet, their
upstream's fault. I mean, they had to do an HTTP-get to find the
information, isn't that intrusion upon my property?
Can't wait to see how this pans out. And, yes, Dean, I am hoping that you
lose and lose so badly no one tries it again.
> --Dean
TTFN,
patrick
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