[26594] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Derek J. Balling)
Sat Jan 8 20:07:38 2000
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 17:05:25 -0800
To: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>,
owen@dixon.delong.sj.ca.us (Owen DeLong), wsimpson@greendragon.com,
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From: "Derek J. Balling" <dredd@megacity.org>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
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At 5:30 PM -0500 1/8/00, Dean Anderson wrote:
>Around 08:14 AM 1/8/2000 -0800, rumor has it that Owen DeLong said:
> >
> >
> >However, I must question whether the activity Dean discusses is actually
> >criminal. He does not accuse them of carrying out the attacks, he
> >accuses them of transporting information published by a third party
> >which notifies the world that his site is vulnerable to these attacks.
>
>Umm, for the record, I do make such an accusation. When they probe a
>non-public government computer, they are violating 18 USC 1030 Sections
>2(b), 2(c), and 3. Those are criminal violations. You simply may not
>probe government computers. Doing so is immediately a crime. The $5000
>limit is only for non-government computers.
Wait, let me get something clear here...
18 USC 1030... USC == United States Code
netgate.net.nz ... nz == New Zealand
Does the US somehow have jurisdiction over people in another country?
Last time I checked, New Zealand was a sovereign country, and its
citizens were bound by its OWN laws, and not the laws of the USA.
D
