[26585] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alex P. Rudnev)
Sat Jan 8 02:20:59 2000
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 10:08:58 +0300 (MSK)
From: "Alex P. Rudnev" <alex@virgin.relcom.eu.net>
To: William Allen Simpson <wsimpson@greendragon.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
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Anyway it's better do not touch this heap of troubles named ORBS. Those who
wanted did protected themself by filtering them out; if you open some kind of
lawsuite it force them to change the provider, not more - and cause sysadmins to
protect themselves once more... Don't trouble troubles and troubles don't
trouble you -:).
I do not want discuss if ORBS is good or bad - it EXIST.
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, William Allen Simpson wrote:
> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 23:02:47 -0500
> From: William Allen Simpson <wsimpson@greendragon.com>
> To: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion
>
>
> Dean Anderson wrote:
> >
> > I would like to get your opinions on this.
> >
> My opinion is that you should sue them vigorously -- and lose. This
> would help the rest of us immensely by providing a solid precedent for
> common carrier liability regarding the activities of our subscribers.
>
> My technical evaluation is that you were discovered to be operating an
> open relay, you have been notified that you are operating an open relay,
> and have failed to secure your open relay. Thus, through your own
> deliberate action, the publication that you operate an open relay
> constitutes an invitation to use the open relay. Your failure to
> enforce secure authorization practices is negligent, and you have
> failed to abate a public nuisance.
>
> Whether your threat to encourage illegal penetration of another's system
> is criminal should be brought to the proper authorities for evaluation.
>
> I'm sure that many of us would be happy to testify on behalf of Netgate.
>
> WSimpson@UMich.edu
> Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32
>
>
Aleksei Roudnev,
(+1 415) 585-3489 /San Francisco CA/
