[25918] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ARIN whois
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Greg A. Woods)
Tue Nov 23 15:45:12 1999
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:36:37 -0500 (EST)
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From: woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods)
To: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19991123114423.017260bc@odie.av8.com>
Reply-To: woods@weird.com (Greg A. Woods)
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[ On Tuesday, November 23, 1999 at 11:56:56 (-0500), Dean Anderson wrote: ]
> Subject: Re: ARIN whois
>
There you go posting private e-mail to the list again. Please don't do
that! If you can't figure out how to run you're mailer properly then
perhaps you shouldn't be using it. (Maybe I should have guessed at your
mailer skills when I saw how your text wasn't nicely formatted....)
> I'm all for working with the community. Each time I have, it has
> turned out that we need to operate relays.
That's a pretty damn poor service you're "offering" to the community
then. Dis-service, more like....
As someone else has already tried to explain, mail relays never have to
be "open relays".
> Possibly, SMTP AUTH will make unauthenticated relaying
> unnecessary. I'm still looking into how widely deployed it is on email
> clients.
Possibly -- if *you* can figure out how to do it!
> Its the foolish people who ASSUME that all of the internet is composed
> of cable modems and the company email server, and the internal company
> modem bank, all behind a firewall and a VPN who think we don't need to
> operate relays.
>
> Try to take relaying out of sendmail, and see what happens.
Been there -- done that (well, with smail, not sendmail, but what the
heck) -- on to more interesting challenges.
> I'm just foolish enough to tell the junior antispammer league that
> relaying has a legitimate purpose, and can't be removed. Most other
> people aren't willing to waste the time with them. I was also foolish
> enough to think they could think something through without resorting
> to abusing our servers, and making posts to alt.2600. Yep. I know
> when I did something wrong.
Given your propensity for claiming you're going to make a profit from
prosecuting the so-called "offenders", perhaps we should surmise that
your true "legitimate business purpose" is to do just that.
--
Greg A. Woods
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