[25900] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ARIN whois
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Dean Anderson)
Tue Nov 23 12:04:58 1999
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:56:58 -0500
To: "Derek J. Balling" <dredd@megacity.org>,
Joe Shaw <jshaw@insync.net>
From: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
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We haven't had any criminal acts until a couple weeks ago.
--Dean
Around 03:57 PM 11/22/1999 -0800, rumor has it that Derek J. Balling said:
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>Dean,
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>Until you actually WIN a criminal case, please go away.
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>It can interest lawyers all you want, but for the threatening and posturing
>we've seen from you, I've yet to actually hear from anyone that you've sued
>them, let alone that you won some money.
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>D
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>At 05:26 PM 11/22/99 -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
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>>We're up to 80K and rising. 2 big ones. Some smaller ones over 5K. Most
>>the rest are under $500. Unless we can pin them to one or a small group of
>>people. Then all their attacks are summed. A number of small attacks over
>>a short period can then be criminal. This amount interests both lawyers
>>and collections companies.
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>> --Dean
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>>Around 04:07 PM 11/22/1999 -0600, rumor has it that Joe Shaw said:
>> >
>> >What "legitimate business purposes" necessitate leaving SMTP relays open
>> >to the world? While I think spammers shouldn't be spamming, I think
>> >you'd find it better to do what you can to stop them from spamming via
>> >means you control, i.e. your servers, as opposed to going through the
>> >FBI.
>> >
>> >The FBI has recently stated that their computer crimes people are entirely
>> >overworked and way behind. So, while they will look into the matter, my
>> >previous experience with the FBI and computer crime shows a decided lack
>> >of interest in crimes that don't involve a high dollar figure for damages
>> >or stolen goods/services except for the purposes of profiling attacks and
>> >doing trend analysis. Unless you're looking at a six figure loss, you
>> >probably won't get far.
>> >
>> >Your best bet is to find a solution to restrict access to your relays.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Joseph W. Shaw - jshaw@insync.net
>> >Free UNIX advocate - "I hack, therefore I am."
>> >
>> >On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Dean Anderson wrote:
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>> >>
>> >> These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia.
>> >>
>> >> We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are not
>> "accidentally left open".
>> >>
>> >> --Dean
>> >
>> >
>> >
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