[25339] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Real Media and M-Bone feeds
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Vadim Antonov)
Tue Oct 5 17:38:30 1999
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:23:03 -0700
From: Vadim Antonov <avg@kotovnik.com>
Message-Id: <199910052123.OAA01066@kitty.kotovnik.com>
To: sthomas@lart.net
Cc: jared@puck.nether.net, nanog@merit.edu
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
Sam Thomas <sthomas@lart.net> wrote:
> I am not foolish enough to argue with a million lemmings. One need only
> convince the one in front to change direction.
You'll be amazed at the incompetence of lemmings in front :(
> That a more scalable solution has not yet been developed is not evidence
> that one does not exist.
Of course, not. But this is someting in research domain - if and when
a magic solution is found, then it'll make sense to discuss it.
Doing engineering in hope of some future magic is, well, unwise.
And there _are_ problems which cannot be solved.
> Classful routing and address assignement wasn't
> scalable, either, but we have (hopefully) come out of that era with some
> cleverness and reliance on good design.
...and on '67 vintage theoretical work by Kleinrock and Klein who showed
that routing can be done in scalable manner. Aggregation is nothing new.
>> Nah. It is a clear and present case of not thinking hard enough.
> Indeed, and you're willing to dismiss multicast without second thought?
No, i'm willing to dismiss it after years of playing with it and thinking
about ways to fix it.
> As time passes, I can assure you that the line between the two will blur,
> whether because of multicast, caching, or greed is yet to be seen.
Greed wins.
> * I am a multicast newbie, and largely illiterate in current implementation,
> so don't laugh at my suggestions publicly, please. :-)
Uncommon honesty :)
--vadim
