[24950] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Training the next generation:
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Dana Hudes)
Tue Aug 24 13:31:57 1999
Reply-To: "Dana Hudes" <dhudes@panix.com>
From: "Dana Hudes" <dhudes@cncdsl.com>
To: "joe" <jk@wnonline.net>
Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:29:55 -0400
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
Joe,
I firmly believe that an undergraduate degree is essential.
If you have to go part-time, then do that.=20
Don't wimp out and take a BA. Get the BS, take the science and math
courses. You might wonder what mechanics and chemistry have to do with =
networks or software development.
Two words: Scientific Method .=20
We need to train you, the student, to THINK.
Not just that you need to think, we need to train you HOW to think.
Math is more directly applicable.
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From: joe <jk@wnonline.net>
To: Dana Hudes <dhudes@panix.com>
Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Training the next generation:=20
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> I am also interested in this, for I am fairly young and VERY =
interested in
> building/maintaining/upgrading networks, etc. I would like to know =
the
> very things that some of you guys complain about all the time when you =
try
> to work with companies. Do any of you know of schools out there =
(besides
> cisco ;P) that can offer the valued training to get people like myself
> into this ever-changing field. I have taken the route of working my =
way
> through ISP's, what other ways have some of you done? Do you think
> working in a good environment and being trained onsite, being trained
> onsite and going to school or just going to school would come out to =
be
> the best idea for getting into this field. Please reply publically or
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> I apologize if this seems NON-OPERATIONAL to you, but it is to me, =
because
> once you guys are off and gone, who will be left? =20
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> Thanks for your time,
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> network operations
> worldnet communications http://www.wnonline.net
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> On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Dana Hudes wrote:
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> > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:12:41 -0400
> > From: Dana Hudes <dhudes@cncdsl.com>
> > Reply-To: Dana Hudes <dhudes@panix.com>
> > To: nanog@merit.edu
> > Subject: Training the next generation:=20
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> > Hi !
> > I'm teaching networking this year at CUNY Hunter College here in =
Manhattan. I would like your input as industry members what skills would =
have value to you in a new graduate computer science major (the students =
are seniors).=20
> > Fall course is "Telecomputing"; the syllabus I created for the =
course uses Tannenbaum's _Computer Networks_ and tries to cover a range =
of things. Course project will likely be design and implement a bridge, =
possibly including source-route and certainly including spanning tree. =
Early on, coverage of WAN include project with PCM and such.
> > A syllabus is posted at http://harmony.hudes.org/Telecomputing.html
> > Students will have a broad base in a variety of networking topics. =
Focus on Ethernet in the LAN and PPP and ATM in the WAN.
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> > Spring is a "special topics" course. I've some flexibility here. I'm =
weighing two alternatives, and want some feedback.
> > Of all possible things, the acting chair and I narrowed to two =
possible courses:
> > 1. A course in TCP/IP. Use Comer, _Internetworking with TCP/IP_ and =
his syllabus from Purdue as a starting point.
> > No time in this course for any physical layer or data link stuff =
beyond a cursory overview of Ethernet as we move at high speed to the =
network layer and IP forwarding. Comer's graduate course has students =
build a router but this is probably too much for undergraduates. Instead =
an OSPF implementation, including all the options (especially NSSA) . A =
cursory introduction to sockets programming with the course focus on =
routing algorithms (i.e. RIP, OSPF, and BGP4).
> > Can this one course (my fall course hasn't sufficient registration =
to make the 2 semester sequence in networking we'd hoped; maybe next =
year).
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> > 2. Network application programming. Java clients, Perl and Apache =
server side (or perhaps Java servlets). Hunter students know C++ fairly =
well by their senior year; Java is an easy transition. The entire class =
would divide into teams with assignments that comprise various parts of =
the client and server portions. The project would be a turn-based =
simulation game (I used to play these and have a number of appropriate =
games with play-by-mail options, game rule design and/or game theory is =
not part of the course). While this won't teach them to be router =
engineers -- or developers, it should have some industry relevance.
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> > Most Hunter graduates stay in the Greater NYC metropolitan area. =
Given this, which of these options is better for the industry? who is in =
shorter supply?
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> > Prompt feedback greatly appreciated. Registrar is asking for the =
course description ASAP or sooner.
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> > Thanks!
> > Dana Hudes
> > CUNY Hunter Computer Science
> > former ISP
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