[24925] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Stephen Sprunk)
Mon Aug 23 12:27:50 1999
From: "Stephen Sprunk" <ssprunk@cisco.com>
To: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@cybernothing.org>
Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:24:36 -0500
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
I think that most of us act as ethically as management permits. There's a
reason why vendors bring an "engineer" along on sales calls; customers have
a very solid understanding that nobody else (sales, marketing, etc) can be
trusted. That's not to say every "engineer" is without ulterior motives,
but they're virtually guaranteed to be the most ethical people you'll meet
at any company.
What happens when a civil engineer refuses to certify a bridge is safe?
What happens when a network engineer refuses to certify a network will work?
Why is there a difference, and what can we do about it?
Stephen "Engineer" Sprunk
Stephen Sprunk, K5SSS, CCIE#3723
Network Consulting Engineer
Cisco NSA Dallas, Texas, USA
e-mail:ssprunk@cisco.com
Pager: +1 800 365-4578
Empowering the Internet Generation
----- Original Message -----
From: J.D. Falk
To: Vadim Antonov
Cc: david@brouda.com ; nanog@merit.edu
Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 10:48
Subject: Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?)
On 08/22/99, Vadim Antonov <avg@kotovnik.com> wrote:
>
> David Brouda <david@brouda.com> wrote:
>
> > Now, I have mentioned three key words: engineer, professional, and
ethics.
> > As a student of engineering, I believe that these three words go
> > hand-in-hand.
>
> The facts that somebody is being professional, educated and ethical does
not
> guarantee that he has any idea of what he is doing. The catch is that a
> clueless person is generally unware that he's clueless, so he can be quite
> eithcal and professional in what he thinks he is doing. Watch the hordes
> of ATM zealots - many of them with very impressive credentials. Does not
> make their "contribution" any more worthwhile.
Yeah, but at least they have a code of ethics. Where'd ours
go?
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