[24088] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Is anyone actually USING IP QoS?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alex P. Rudnev)
Tue May 18 05:23:07 1999
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:18:06 +0400 (MSD)
From: "Alex P. Rudnev" <alex@Relcom.EU.net>
To: "Steve Riley (MCS)" <steriley@microsoft.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <03289DA14899D111A94400805F0D704C01573FC0@DEN-MSG-01>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
In addition. Months ago I'v asked about RSVP in Nanog. I'v get 1 (one)
answer - just from the Russia - _we use it over one our link_. -:)
On Mon, 17 May 1999, Steve Riley (MCS) wrote:
> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:04:37 -0700
> From: Steve Riley (MCS) <steriley@microsoft.com>
> To: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: RE: Is anyone actually USING IP QoS?
>
>
> Nice to see that I'm not the only one believing in the foolishness of QoS
> hype. Bandwidth is essentially free, and will always be cheaper than QoS.
> And since in the end nearly all decisions are based on economics, it should
> be apparent which is the more logical decision.
>
> Allow me to point you to an interesting paper called "Rise of the Stupid
> Network." Many of you here may have already seen this. It was written back
> in 1997 by David Isenberg, then a reasearcher at AT&T Labs (Isenberg is now
> an independent consultant). His paper profoundly changed my views on QoS and
> made me realize that networks perform best when we limit how smart they get
> and ensure that networks focus on transport only. I urge everyone to read
> it.
>
> Paper: http://www.rageboy.com/stupidnet.html
> Isenberg's site: http://www.isen.com/
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Steve Riley
> Microsoft Telecommunications Practice in Denver, Colorado
> email: mailto:steriley@microsoft.com
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> Applying computer technology is simply finding the right wrench to pound in
> the correct screw.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vadim Antonov [mailto:avg@kotovnik.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 12:28 PM
> To: nanog@merit.edu; pete@kruckenberg.com
> Subject: Re: Is anyone actually USING IP QoS?
>
>
> Yep. Altough not _all_ QoS schemes are broken-as-designed. The
> most trivial per-packet priority combined with ingress
> priority mix shaping works. Ths idea of end-to-end
> whatever reservations or guarantees is usually propounded
> by people who either neglected their CS courses or those
> who are trying to sell it.
>
> Yep. The biggest QoS secret is that nobody actually needs
> it. Bandwidth is cheap and is growing cheaper. The
> manpower needed to deploy and maintain QoS is getting
> more and more expensive.
>
> --vadim
>
>
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