[2298] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: NANOG
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David C. Kovar)
Tue Apr 2 21:18:13 1996
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 17:15:10 -0800
To: Michael Dillon <michael@memra.com>, nanog@merit.edu
From: "David C. Kovar" <kovar@NDA.COM>
We have a business plan in place for doing exactly this, and a lot more.
It's pretty simple to do, with the right setup.
We have no intention of sellings ads on the page, though.
-David
>This is a good point. If there were a list somewhere which collated all
>of the trouble reports from all of the ISP's then some entrepreneur could
>set up an Internet traffic report WWW site and make all the mass of
>trouble reports palatable for end users, including stories about ladies
>in Lincolns.
>
>This entrepreneur could get rich selling ads on their WWW site and
>everyone would know what is going on.
>
>> Now, NANOG -- not affiliated with anybody, you say, not even the Internet
>> Society. OK, I stand corrected. So, if not ISOC, who are IEPG and NANOG?
>> Do IEPG and NANOG have anything to do with one another? By the way, is
>> IETF not ISOC too? See www.isoc.org.
>
>Even though I know how all this came about and how groups like NANOG
>operate (what group!) I still don't believe it when people say that NANOG
>doesn't set policy and NANOG is not affiliated with anybody. The fact is
>that NANOG appears to set policy and NANOG appears to be affiliated with
>somebody and that appearance is what counts until NANOG pipes up and
>states what their official policy and official affiliations are.
>
>> Settlements, "wrong on the face?" Or are you just too busy busy busy
>> defensive to argue?
>
>Settlements are contrary to NANOG policy. It is also contrary to NANOG
>policy to engage in long drawn out debates about things which have
>already been decided, like "settlements are wrong". The policy is
>unwritten and to a certain extent, non-verbal, but it is policy nevertheless.
>
>> So, you say, increasing Internet diameters (hops) are only of concern to
>> whiners like me? There are no whiners LIKE me. I am THE whiner. And hops
>> ARE a first class problem, Jerry, or are you clueless about how
>> store-and-forward packet switching actually really works?
>
>I have had to explain to ISP's how to do email relaying so that their
>customers can get email back and forth from fringe locations. It's
>usually an asymmetrical problem so it shows up when a person can receive
>email but cannot send a reply.
>
>BTW, the trick is to address it like this joe%farawayplace.com@majorhub.com
>
>
>Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022
>Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049
>http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com
>
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