[22964] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Monitoring, Flow Stats (Re: spam whore, norcal-systems)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Thu Feb 4 14:31:11 1999
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:58:44 -0800
From: owen@DeLong.SJ.CA.US (Owen DeLong)
To: goemon@sasami.anime.net, dean@av8.com
Cc: chris@verio.net, jared@puck.nether.net, ravi@verio.net, nanog@merit.edu
> Owen DeLong in private communication points up that he thinks that this
> permission is transitive. That has the problem that it trivially obviates
> all privacy. Every provider is automatically authorized, no one is not
> authorized. Privacy is in the eyes of the provider. The ECPA was intended
> to prevent communications providers from looking at things they shouldn't
> and don't need to. So I'm not convinced. **thanks to Dean Robb, the
> Attorneys manual says it must be "specifically authorized"
>
Apologies to the list for posting this, but I had to respond to this
violation of my privacy and this slander.
No, I didn't. I said that my AUP/TOS can create a transitive OBLIGATION
to disclose on the part of the downstream providers. Further, I have
repeatedly said that if the downstream providers can provide their service
to spammers without violating my AUP/TOS, then there is no issue. However,
if they deliver content to my network for transit which is in violation of
my AUP/TOS, then I have the rights to defend my property from this theft
of service.
Owen
