[21820] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ORBS: Another Vigilante Group
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Adam Rothschild)
Sun Nov 22 01:46:25 1998
X-Envelope-To: nanog@merit.edu
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:31:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Adam Rothschild <asr@millburn.net>
To: Bob Allisat <bob@fcn.net>
cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.93.981121115036.21567A-100000@marietta>
> Nonsense. Democratic forums are
> open, transparent, accountable,
> feature regular elections, laws,
> constitutions and so on. There
> are no such institutions on the
I don't think anyone ever claimed the RBL is a democratic institution.
Though this should go without saying, it certainly is not. Still, what it
does, it does well, and I truly appreciate its existence.
I think the only real freedom with regards to the RBL is the freedom
of choice: Upstreams are not *required* to subscribe to it, and customers
are not *required* to obtain service from RBL-ized upstreams.
> net. There are technically capable
> but otherwise unsophisticated
> lads running around pretending
> they are the law. They aren't.
I think not.
> manners. I have attacked no-one
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Very cute. See above.
> regularly trades in the violation
> of these rights. With nothing more
> to back him up but technical
> know-how and a gang of fellow
> geekthugs. A very unfortunate
> situation I suspect time will
> alter to a conclusion more in
> line with our traditons or
> democracy than with Vixie et
> al's propensity to totalitarian
> despotism.
I sure hope it does not change as such. Then again, I don't consider
it to be an unfortunate situation. The only unfortunate situation is
that you are a k00k who types with a 40-column terminal, fails to function
on a rational manner, and tries to protect freedoms that are not violated
in the first place.
Gee, this is getting boring and non-operational. Where are those backhoes
and gophers when we need them? 8-)
