[21814] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rich Sena)
Sun Nov 22 01:45:40 1998
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:07:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Rich Sena <ras@poppa.clubrich.tiac.net>
To: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
cc: Paul A Vixie <paul@vix.com>, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19981116185726.01039bbc@odie.av8.com>
Dean stop beeing a boob - it's spam - it's not hey glad your a customer
hope all is well it's hey use us to register new domains - it's being
generated to compete against other avenues of registration - lets call it
what it is - if you like it great - give it a hug and kiss and give it a
rest - the majority I would assume aren't real thrilled about it - and the
whole speil about fake email addresses cuz folk don't want to give out
theirs - is bullshit - the correct answer is "then you don't get a domain"
drive through please.
On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Dean Anderson wrote:
> Not so. You can use another registry. .COM, .NET, and .ORG may be the most
> popular, but they are not the only ones. When you refuse to do business
> with NSI, they don't send you email. They don't get lists and send email
> to random people. If you don't agree to let NSI send you email, they won't
> do business with you. Everyone agreed to those terms. Can't come back and
> change them later, because you don't like it.
>
> Personally, I don't see anything wrong with most of the mail I've gotten
> from them. Some of it a bit technically insulting, but that doesn't make
> it totally unreasonable from an email ethics point of view. It certainly
> doesn't qualify as spam, since it is in fact solicited. You paid $100+ for
> the privilege.
>
> Technically, they aren't broadcasting either. They are sending email to
> their customers. Not potential future customers. Existing customers. They
> didn't buy this list from somewhere. They asked for, and required customers
> to give this information, and to give them permission to send email.
>
> You seem to be in a conflict with your own rules, since you have said that
> you don't RBL companies that are using their own internal lists. As I
> thought, you aren't operating from some kind of moral or ethical principal,
> you are just bullying others. I just don't like that, whether you happen
> to be right or not.
>
> >> 2] They are sending to folks that use the service.
> >
> >yes. which is: everybody who has a domain in COM, NET, or ORG.
>
> Ahh, it has finally come to a confrontation with someone who quite possibly
> speaks more authoritatively for everyone in those domains than you do.
> This will be interesting, to say the least.
>
> I wonder if RBLing NetSol is cause for them to put vix.com on hold. That
> would be a hoot. I suppose they actually could call you in breach of
> contract for refusing to receive email, refund your money, and cancel your
> domains.
>
> --Dean
>
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