[195449] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rod Beck)
Wed Aug 9 08:53:04 2017
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From: Rod Beck <rod.beck@unitedcablecompany.com>
To: Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke@gmail.com>, Stephen Fulton
<sf@lists.esoteric.ca>, "nanog@nanog.org list" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 12:50:32 +0000
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Hi Eric,
Allstream fiber goes counterclockwise from Toronto to Buffalo along the lak=
e. Just like the rest of them. And at several places all these sysgtems are=
probably in the same conduit.
Finally, all fiber is exhausted Toronto/Buffalo. Existing players could not=
sell if they wanted to and no one selling dark on this route today.
- R.
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From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke=
@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 4:13 AM
To: Stephen Fulton; nanog@nanog.org list
Subject: Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing
It is worth noting, however, that the former AllStream ASN (formerly AT&T
Canada) AS15290 is a completely different thing, and has distinct
infrastructure and routing from the AboveNet ASN which is operated by Zayo.
Although they are probably using "Free" Zayo transport by now.
If I am grossly wrong and anybody from layer 3 network operations at Zayo
wants to chime in and tell us about the 40,000 ft view of their plans to
combine AS15290 and AS6461, I am sure the community would be very
interested.
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Stephen Fulton <sf@lists.esoteric.ca> wrote=
:
> TR,
>
> MTS Allstream is no longer a combined entity. MTS was purchased by Bell
> Canada and Allstream was purchased by Zayo.
>
> -- Stephen
>
>
> On 2017-08-08 8:19 PM, TR Shaw wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> What does Bell buying MTS do? Does it change your statement or will the
>> MTS portion of Bell still peer locally?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 8:10 PM, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Hiers, David <David.Hiers@cdk.com> wrote:
>>>> For traffic routing, is anyone constraining cross-border routing
>>>> between Canada and the US? IOW, if you are routing from Toronto to
>>>> Montreal, do you have to guarantee that the path cannot go through, sa=
y,
>>>> Syracuse, New York?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No. In fact, Bell Canada / Bell Aliant and Telus guarantee that you
>>> _will_ go through Chicago, Seattle, New York, or Ashburn, since none of
>>> them peer anywhere in Canada at all.
>>>
>>> Last I checked (November of last year) the best-connected commercial
>>> networks (i.e. not CANARIE) in Canada were Hurricane Electric, MTS
>>> Allstream, Primus, and Zip Telecom, all of which peer at three or more
>>> Canadian IXes. So, they=92re capable of keeping traffic in Canada so l=
ong as
>>> the other end isn=92t on Bell or Telus, which only sell U.S. bandwidth =
to
>>> Canadians.
>>>
>>> In November, only 27% of intra-Canadian routes stayed within Canada; 64=
%
>>> went through the U.S. That=92s way worse than five years ago, when 60%
>>> stayed within Canada, and 38% went through the U.S.
>>>
>>> As has been pointed out, Canada has been building IXPs=85 Just not as
>>> fast as the rest of the world has. They=92re behind the global average
>>> growth rate, and behind the U.S. growth rate, which is why the problem =
is
>>> getting worse. Bandwidth costs are falling faster elsewhere, so they=
=92re
>>> importing more foreign bandwidth.
>>>
>>> -Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
