[195393] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Bell outage
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rod Beck)
Fri Aug 4 18:13:14 2017
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Rod Beck <rod.beck@unitedcablecompany.com>
To: Jason Lixfeld <jason@lixfeld.ca>
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 22:13:08 +0000
In-Reply-To: <156DE667-D606-480D-A3DF-EADE6F0E244F@lixfeld.ca>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
I am pretty sure most of the fiber runs counterclockwise from Toronto to Bu=
ffalo. Just a fact.
- R.
________________________________
From: Jason Lixfeld <jason@lixfeld.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 11:48 PM
To: Rod Beck
Cc: nanog@nanog.org; ahebert@pubnix.net
Subject: Re: Bell outage
I think having a lake right in the middle makes a really nice, natural, div=
erse route between the two locations, as is the case with the many routes r=
unning east and west around the lake out of both 151 Front and 350 Main. I=
t=92s great for non latency sensitive traffic if your short path fails, but=
it sucks for latency sensitive traffic if your short path fails.
What=92s the solution in that case if you need geo diverse, low latency rou=
tes between two longish haul points that can only be connected by one major=
highway and one major railway, and where there=92s a large likelihood that=
the even a single route would have to use both those pathways? I=92m sure=
it's trivial to get geo diverse routes out of any major carrier hotel, but=
what about the in between bits?
> On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Rod Beck <rod.beck@unitedcablecompany.com> wr=
ote:
>
> Well, imagine what happens when you have a body of water like Lake Ontari=
o separating the key hubs on each side of the border, 151 Front Street and =
350 Main Street. The fiber is probably stacked parallel around the lake and=
at certain points is collapsed into one right of way.
>
>
> - R.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Alain Hebert <ahebert@=
pubnix.net>
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:34 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Bell outage
>
> Well,
>
> We have a case where 2 paths, between 151 front to somewhere in
> Markham, ended up overlapping 3 times for about 300m total :(
>
> And to cap the whole thing off... Enter the building thru the same
> conduit.
>
> You pretty much need to be onsite supervising the whole thing up.
>
> And yes their files have the circuits going thru a home, what looks
> like a gas station, an electrical grids, etc =3DD. Pretty impressive.
>
> PS: As rodent, you mean the punks that fire bomb "that" conduit
> under "that" bridge, a few years back?
>
> -----
> Alain Hebert ahebert@pubnix.net
> PubNIX Inc.
> 50 boul. St-Charles
> P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
> Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.net Fax: 514-990-9443
PubNIX Inc. =96 Branch=E9 sur le monde =96 Connected to the World<http://ww=
w.pubnix.net/>
www.pubnix.net
PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service th=
at offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to=
providing you ...
> PubNIX Inc. =96 Branch=E9 sur le monde =96 Connected to the World<http://=
www.pubnix.net/>
PubNIX Inc. =96 Branch=E9 sur le monde =96 Connected to the World<http://ww=
w.pubnix.net/>
www.pubnix.net
PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service th=
at offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to=
providing you ...
> www.pubnix.net<http://www.pubnix.net>
PubNIX Inc. =96 Branch=E9 sur le monde =96 Connected to the World<http://ww=
w.pubnix.net/>
www.pubnix.net
PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service th=
at offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to=
providing you ...
> PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service =
that offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed =
to providing you ...
>
>
>
> On 08/04/17 15:07, Ken Chase wrote:
>> And can be hard to know without serious dilligence - two of our upstream=
s
>> happened to go through the same 360 networks conduit in montreal that "s=
aw
>> significant rodent activity". Both were down for 6 hours. A couple custo=
mers
>> had some custom apps that relied on the two, each as redundancy to the o=
ther.
>>
>> That didnt work out.
>>
>> Getting salesdroids to give you the info can be very hard though, and ev=
en
>> tech dept's may not know what secondary providers their fibres run throu=
gh or
>> where, readily.
>>
>> /kc
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 02:57:22PM -0400, Alain Hebert said:
>>> Well,
>>>
>>> Saying they provided you with geographically diverse circuits versus
>>> actually doing it, happen way too often.
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Alain Hebert ahebert@pubnix.net
>>> PubNIX Inc.
>>> 50 boul. St-Charles
>>> P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
>>> Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.net Fax: 514-990-9443
PubNIX Inc. =96 Branch=E9 sur le monde =96 Connected to the World<http://ww=
w.pubnix.net/>
www.pubnix.net
PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service th=
at offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to=
providing you ...
> PubNIX Inc. =96 Branch=E9 sur le monde =96 Connected to the World<http://=
www.pubnix.net/>
PubNIX Inc. =96 Branch=E9 sur le monde =96 Connected to the World<http://ww=
w.pubnix.net/>
www.pubnix.net
PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service th=
at offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to=
providing you ...
> www.pubnix.net<http://www.pubnix.net>
PubNIX Inc. =96 Branch=E9 sur le monde =96 Connected to the World<http://ww=
w.pubnix.net/>
www.pubnix.net
PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service th=
at offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to=
providing you ...
> PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service =
that offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed =
to providing you ...
>
>
>>
>
