[194928] in North American Network Operators' Group
plea for increase participation in v6ops/IETF
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)
Sun Jun 11 05:27:06 2017
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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:25:43 +0200
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
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Hello all,
At the last LACNIC event, I mentioned on a couple of occasions the need for=
ISPs in the region, especially small and medium-sized ones, to participate=
in the decisions taken in the IETF IPv6 Operations Working Group (v6ops). =
I=E2=80=99m sending this here as well, as I believe the situation also appl=
y to this region.
When I asked among the attendees how many participate in v6ops, only one pe=
rson raised his hand.
What does it mean to participate in the mailing list? Follow some emails (s=
ometimes only 1-2 a week, sometimes they can be several in a day), and ther=
efore learn about what is being discussed and give your opinion and, given =
that decisions are made by Consensus, influence them.
What consequences has NOT participating? That decisions against your intere=
sts/opinions could be taken, and obviously do not consider your perspective=
in the standards. Generally large operators are involved, which implies th=
at your interests are not sufficiently represented, and in general are cont=
rary to yours. Your "vote/opinion" is not worth more than yours, but the bi=
g one is present and the small/medium NO!
I give you a very concrete example. The serious problem that small and medi=
um ISPs have, is to continue offering IPv6 and IPv4 services to their custo=
mers, when they already do not have IPv4 addresses. Only the biggest ISPs h=
ave a great purchasing power and can influence the manufacturers to do for =
them what they need. One possibility to solve it, extending the life of IPv=
4, but not necessarily deploying IPv6, is using CGN, which is also very exp=
ensive, and breaks many things.
The solution is simple. Deploying IPv6-only services in the last mile, whic=
h involves using transition mechanisms, such as 464XLAT that has been deplo=
yed on millions of smartphones worldwide, so that applications continue to =
operate transparently as they "believe" they have IPv4.
What is the problem, then? That manufacturers of CPEs are based on an old s=
pecification (RFC7084) that does not contemplate these transition mechanism=
s, so when a small/medium ISP asks a manufacturer for a firmware upgrade or=
a new CPE, they do not include that solution and perhaps they offer it wit=
h an extra cost.
In my view, this should change, and that is why I am working on a number of=
documents, including RFC7084-bis (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-i=
etf-v6ops-rfc7084-bis/), To update this situation, but there is opposition =
from large ISPs and virtually no small/medium "talks" about it, and in fact=
these large ISPs deny the situation. In addition, the document also specif=
ies the "automated" support of those cases in which the user installs other=
routers (which is very common as we all know, and will be more and more in=
IPv6, IoT, etc.), behind the router installed by the ISP, through homenet =
(HNCP).
I am not asking for your support for my documents, but for understanding th=
e problem and the solution that is being proposed and/or possible new ones,=
and for the opinion of not only those very few =E2=80=9Cbig ones=E2=80=9D,=
but also of many small and medium, who are most affected.
If you want to subscribe to this list, search for "subscribing" at:
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops
You can see the files of the discussion in:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=3Dv6ops
I remind you that participating in the IETF does not require a presence in =
the meetings, as consensus is agreed in the list.
Regards,
Jordi
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