[194243] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and engineers
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Davide Davini)
Wed Mar 29 03:08:12 2017
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Davide Davini <diotonante@gmail.com>
To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 09:05:51 +0200
In-Reply-To: <24B54AFC-1A4B-4B90-928F-204B31BB3484@beckman.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Even though your example is a bit melodramatic I agree with the concept,
all the arguments against the ownership that users have on their own
data is just hogwash.
If there needs to be government imposed regulations to ensure it, I have
zero problems with it.
On 29/03/2017 03:19, Mel Beckman wrote:
> What about bank robbery? Little ISPs could supplement their incomes usi=
ng that immoral revenue stream too. The ends don't justify the means. Bro=
wsing history belongs to the user, not the ISP. Robbing users of this dat=
a is not justified just because it would give ISPs -- of any size -- a ne=
w revenue stream.
>
> -mel beckman
>
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
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>> What about little ISPs? There are already monetization platforms out t=
here that can be resold to small ISPs. The company sells the aggregate da=
ta upstream. Not that I would, but in a small ISP, that money makes a big=
difference.=20
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>> -----=20
>> Mike Hammett=20
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions=20
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>> Midwest Internet Exchange=20
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>> The Brothers WISP=20
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>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> From: "Mel Beckman" <mel@beckman.org>=20
>> To: "Hugo Slabbert" <hugo@slabnet.com>=20
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org=20
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:08:19 PM=20
>> Subject: Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and eng=
ineers opposed to FCC privacy repeal=20
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>> Hugo,=20
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>> That's a great find! I note in the article:=20
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>> "Not only is the price of the premier service (with ads) only $70 a mo=
nth, but it comes with a waiver of equipment, installation, and activatio=
n fees. The standard service without ads is $99 a month..."=20
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>> So that's $29 a month to let AT&T track your Web browsing, but only fo=
r targeting ads. ATT promises "And we won=E2=80=99t sell your personal in=
formation to anyone, for any reason."=20
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>> I would guess that the ability to sell that data would be worth severa=
l times the $29/month, so it's conceivable that a provider could offer $1=
0/mo Gig Internet in exchange for browsing history.=20
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>> But nobody does.=20
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>> Because they think they can steal it.=20
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>> I think this pretty well demonstrates the greed of the big-ISP executi=
ves who lobbied for today's legislative atrocity, which lets them rob cus=
tomers of browsing history that even AT&T execs acknowledge users own.=20
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>> -mel beckman=20
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>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Hugo Slabbert <hugo@slabnet.com<mailto:hu=
go@slabnet.com>> wrote:=20
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>> Now, if ISPs want to PURCHASE browser data from customers directly, I'=
m=20
>> sure they'll get some takers. But that strategy has never appeared in =
>> any business plan I've seen.=20
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>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/att-offers-giga=
bit-internet-discount-in-exchange-for-your-web-history/ ?=20
>> --=20
>> Hugo Slabbert | email, xmpp/jabber: hugo@slabnet.com<mailto:hugo@slabn=
et.com>=20
>> pgp key: B178313E | also on Signal=20
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