[194236] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and engineers
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mike Hammett)
Tue Mar 28 21:29:40 2017
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 20:29:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <24B54AFC-1A4B-4B90-928F-204B31BB3484@beckman.org>
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Yeah, I think we're done here.=20
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From: "Mel Beckman" <mel@beckman.org>=20
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>=20
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Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:19:08 PM=20
Subject: Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and engineer=
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What about bank robbery? Little ISPs could supplement their incomes using t=
hat immoral revenue stream too. The ends don't justify the means. Browsing =
history belongs to the user, not the ISP. Robbing users of this data is not=
justified just because it would give ISPs -- of any size -- a new revenue =
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> On Mar 28, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:=20
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> What about little ISPs? There are already monetization platforms out ther=
e that can be resold to small ISPs. The company sells the aggregate data up=
stream. Not that I would, but in a small ISP, that money makes a big differ=
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> ----- Original Message -----=20
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> From: "Mel Beckman" <mel@beckman.org>=20
> To: "Hugo Slabbert" <hugo@slabnet.com>=20
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> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:08:19 PM=20
> Subject: Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and engine=
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> Hugo,=20
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> That's a great find! I note in the article:=20
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> "Not only is the price of the premier service (with ads) only $70 a month=
, but it comes with a waiver of equipment, installation, and activation fee=
s. The standard service without ads is $99 a month..."=20
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> So that's $29 a month to let AT&T track your Web browsing, but only for t=
argeting ads. ATT promises "And we won=E2=80=99t sell your personal informa=
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> I would guess that the ability to sell that data would be worth several t=
imes the $29/month, so it's conceivable that a provider could offer $10/mo =
Gig Internet in exchange for browsing history.=20
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> But nobody does.=20
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> Because they think they can steal it.=20
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> I think this pretty well demonstrates the greed of the big-ISP executives=
who lobbied for today's legislative atrocity, which lets them rob customer=
s of browsing history that even AT&T execs acknowledge users own.=20
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> -mel beckman=20
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> On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Hugo Slabbert <hugo@slabnet.com<mailto:hugo@=
slabnet.com>> wrote:=20
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> Now, if ISPs want to PURCHASE browser data from customers directly, I'm=
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> sure they'll get some takers. But that strategy has never appeared in=20
> any business plan I've seen.=20
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> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/att-offers-gigabit=
-internet-discount-in-exchange-for-your-web-history/ ?=20
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> Hugo Slabbert | email, xmpp/jabber: hugo@slabnet.com<mailto:hugo@slabnet.=
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> pgp key: B178313E | also on Signal=20
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