[194099] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Government agency renting or selling IP space
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mel Beckman)
Thu Mar 16 23:20:20 2017
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From: Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org>
To: Jimmy Hess <mysidia@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 03:17:54 +0000
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Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
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Jimmy,
Their ARIN record says Direct Assignment rather than Direct Allocation, so =
it does appear ARIN considers them an end user. Also, I see no prior SWIPs,=
so possibly they never SWIPed their previous customers. I'll have to give =
ARIN a call.
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> On Mar 16, 2017, at 6:08 PM, Jimmy Hess <mysidia@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org> wrote:
>> Bill,
>> Is there a technically a restriction preventing swiping of this IP space=
when it's being rented? How is that different from an ISP swiping its cus=
tomers that are renting bandwidth?
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> This is a difference between an "Allocated" block of addresses to an
> ISP and an "Assigned" network prefix belonging to a end-user.
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> End-User Orgs typically lack technical ability to create re-assignment
> records showing a different
> organization, b/c they have IPs assigned for a specific network....
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> ISPs / Co-location providers who are ARIN members with Allocated addresse=
s
> can Re-Allocate to a downstream ISP or Assign a network prefix from alloc=
ated
> space to a downstream End-user organization.
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> An End user can likely show they're an ISP, join ARIN as an ISP member, =
&
> request Direct Assignments from ARIN be combined into new Allocations;
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> If the character of the network changes, I would expect the new ISP
> may have to show information to ARIN establishing that the change to
> an ISP Allocation will be consistent with the NRPM requirements.....
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> (Seeing as Assignments to End-Users and Allocations to ISPs have
> different policies for creation described in the NRPM, and there's
> no mention in the Policy they can be directly converted without a
> Transfer or Renumber/Consolidate or Return & renumber....)
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>> -mel via cell
> --
> -JH
