[194076] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Todd Grand)
Tue Mar 14 12:30:36 2017
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 11:29:39 -0500
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In reply to the group as my reply was only to Luke.
This is why I say, they should need to justify the extension of these =
costs.
In my opinion a transit provider should not have any justification to =
extend said costs.
One might suggest that the unjustified extension of these costs could be =
construed as fraudulent charges.
Todd Grand
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From: Luke Guillory [mailto:lguillory@reservetele.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:08 AM
To: Todd Grand <tgrand@tgrand.com>
Cc: Eric Dugas <edugas@unknowndevice.ca>; Graham Johnston =
<johnstong@westmancom.com>; NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
On transit though? We in the US pay all of these types of fees as well =
though not on service outside of telephone.
Sent from my iPad
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Luke Guillory
Network Operations Manager
Tel: 985.536.1212
Fax: 985.536.0300
Email: lguillory@reservetele.com
Reserve Telecommunications
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On Mar 14, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Todd Grand <tgrand@tgrand.com> wrote:
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> These costs are related to federal, provincial and/or municipal=20
> mandates, programs and requirements such as provincial 9-1-1 fees,=20
> spectrum acquisition, licensing charges, and contribution charges to=20
> help subsidize telephone service in rural and remote areas. These=20
> costs are not taxes or amounts that the government requires carriers=20
> to collect. The specific amount of these costs can vary as the=20
> fees/costs of government mandates/programs change.
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> I would have them outline what regulatory costs they incur, as they=20
> have to justify the extension of these costs, or in my opinion it is a =
> form of fraud.
>
> Todd Grand
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+tgrand=3Dtgrand.com@nanog.org] On=20
> Behalf Of Eric Dugas
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:00 AM
> To: Graham Johnston <johnstong@westmancom.com>
> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>
> From what I've gathered so far, every other carriers that we use are=20
> either invoicing us from Canada or outside the US (e.g. Telia from=20
> Vancouver, BC and Cogent from Toronto, ON).
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>
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> A couple of minutes after firing my first email, our rep called me to=20
> follow up. He'll escalate this as far as he can with his COO and CFO=20
> and suggested two scenarios.
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>
> On Mar 14 2017, at 10:41 am, Graham Johnston=20
> <johnstong@westmancom.com>
> wrote:
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>> We don't explicitly pay a charge like this for the transit bandwidth=20
>> we
> purchase in Toronto from an international carrier, and I doubt that it =
> is built into the cost without any mention of it. I've never heard of=20
> such a thing.
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>>
>
>> Graham Johnston
> Network Planner
> Westman Communications Group
> 204.717.2829
> johnstong@westmancom.com
>
>>
>
>> \-----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Dugas
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:04 AM
> To: NANOG
> Subject: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>
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>> I recently negotiated a new contract with a tier1 for IP transit in=20
>> Canada
> and
> just got the invoice. I saw a "new" Regulatory Recovery Surcharge of=20
> 10% the MRC (before taxes) that I've never seen before. Do any of my=20
> Canadian fellows on this list are paying this outrageous surcharge?
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>> Other than saying "it's in the MSA", our rep, their tax and billing
> department
> are not useful at all. The actual rate is not specified anywhere in=20
> the MSA or in the contract.
>
