[193742] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: gagging *IX directors re snoop/block orders
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ken Chase)
Fri Feb 17 21:04:26 2017
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 11:07:11 -0500
From: Ken Chase <math@sizone.org>
To: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
In-Reply-To: <789372024.1725.1487347378980.JavaMail.mhammett@ThunderFuck>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
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Just meant it as a parallel operational example. Both situations, while legally
distinct, present the same operational issues.
Purposely breaking things - and then being required to keep the breakage secret -
is going to mess up a whole lot of things. (How does Chinese operators handle this?)
Additionally the snooping is an issue, though I can't imagine anyone depends on
an IX for maintaining secrecy at a contract level :/ Today's realities.
/kc
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:03:00AM -0600, Mike Hammett said:
>I'm not sure Cogent is on any IXes?
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>Mike Hammett
>Intelligent Computing Solutions
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>Midwest-IX
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>----- Original Message -----
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>From: "Ken Chase" <math@sizone.org>
>To: nanog@nanog.org
>Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 9:56:23 AM
>Subject: gagging *IX directors re snoop/block orders
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>And when you go to figure out why that IP wont ping through Cogent on
>your exchange, and start troubleshooting but can't get any answers
>as to why things are bust...
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>[ Clearly now an operational issue for NANOG. ]
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>Purposely breaking routing and not being able to talk about why is going to
>set many orgs at odds with their basic operational charters. I expect that
>a paid service will work when it's provided, including help debugging their end.
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>This is slightly different from a service provider, ostensibly you can
>go elsewhere to get service - but when you are a member of a nonprofit *IX
>(as we are with TorIX), things get a lot more complex.
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>I imagine contract lawyers are going to be all over this.
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>https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/17/linx_snoopers_charger_gagging_order/
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>(their typo in the url)
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/kc
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Ken Chase - math@sizone.org Guelph/Toronto Canada
