[193733] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: backbones filtering unsanctioned sites
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (tim@pelican.org)
Fri Feb 17 04:56:20 2017
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Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:56:13 -0000 (GMT)
From: "tim@pelican.org" <tim@pelican.org>
To: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>
In-Reply-To: <8737fdkypb.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de>
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On Friday, 17 February, 2017 08:29, "Florian Weimer" <fw@deneb.enyo.de> sai=
d:=0A=0A> Of course they do, see the arrest of Augusto Pinochet.=0A=0AUnive=
rsal Jurisdiction is supposed to cover the likes of war crimes, torture, ex=
trajudicial executions and genocide, that are generally agreed to be crimes=
against humanity as a whole, regardless of where they take place. Much as=
the copyright cartel would like to put any (perceived) loss of revenue int=
o the same bracket, are you *really* advocating that copyright infringement=
belongs in that list?=0A=0A> Due to the nature of mass copyright violation=
, it is likely that these=0A> sites violate the rights of Spanish copyright=
holders, and if such a=0A> violated party obtains a court order against an=
ISP, I see no reason=0A> why the violations should go on everywhere except=
Spain.=0A=0AThe action isn't against the people infringing copyright, the =
sites (arguably) aiding them in infringing copyright, or even the company p=
roviding hosting services to those sites. It is, if the situation is being=
reported correctly, forcing a connectivity provider to block access to som=
e elements of the hosting services *worldwide* based on the fact that it op=
erates in one country. In my view, both far too many steps removed from th=
e offence, and, more importantly, overly-broad in impact.=0A=0ADo you think=
the Chinese government should be able to force any voice provider operatin=
g in China to block any of their customers, anywhere in the world, from tal=
king about Taiwan as an independent country?=0A=0ADo you think the Iranian =
government should be able to force any mobile phone company operating in Ir=
an to implement a worldwide ban of Pokemon Go?=0A=0AIf the answer to either=
of those questions is "no", can you explain why the jurisdiction should be=
limited in these cases, but not for Spanish copyright holders?=0A=0A(Note =
that I'm not talking about the "right" or "wrong" of those decisions within=
their respective jurisdiction, that's not relevant to where their jurisdic=
tion extends.)=0A=0A=0ARegards,=0ATim.=0A
