[192378] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Spitballing IoT Security
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (tim@pelican.org)
Thu Oct 27 04:53:40 2016
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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 09:53:31 +0100 (BST)
From: "tim@pelican.org" <tim@pelican.org>
To: "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org>
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On Thursday, 27 October, 2016 00:40, "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@tristatelog=
ic.com> said:=0A=0A> Point: I have a DSL line which is limited to 6Mbps do=
wn and 756Kbps up.=0A> My guess is that if any typical/average user is seen=
to be using more=0A> than, say, 1/10 of that amount of "up" bandwidth in a=
ny one given 10=0A> minute time period, then something is really really REA=
LLY wrong.=0A=0AThis sounds like a horrible view of the Internet as "TV, on=
ly with more funny cat pictures", where most users are in a second-tier tha=
t is only expected / allowed to consume.=0A=0AOne of the reasons I'm very g=
rateful for FTTC / VDSL is that I can finally get a useful upstream speed. =
Going from 10-14M downstream to 80M was very nice, but going from 1M to 20=
M upstream was an absolute game-changer.=0A=0AI back up to the cloud - and =
there are plenty of services that allow regular, non-technical users to do =
this. The initial run saturated my upstream for days, and the incrementals=
are sometimes 20 or 30 minute bursts. I wouldn't even have tried on ADSL.=
=0A=0AEvery time I get back from a day out, or even more so from a holiday,=
I upload the photos from my PC to one or more cloud services. I'll max my=
uplink for anywhere between 10 minutes and an hour - on the old ADSL, it w=
as easily an overnight task.=0A=0AWorking from home, I can now work directl=
y with files on network shares, rather than copying everything to the lapto=
p before I leave the office and trying to sync changes when I get back. I =
know the exact figures for this case, but there are a *lot* of spikes over =
the course of a day. With ADSL, I could go and make tea every time I neede=
d to save a large Word doc or Powerpoint back to the network. On top of th=
at, I can spend anything up to 3 or 4 hours in videoconferences, which will=
have a steady stream of a few hundred Kb/s.=0A=0ASpotting atypical (or ide=
ally malicious) traffic is a valid goal, but I think we need to be a whole =
lot smarter than "customer is using upstream".=0A=0ARegards,=0ATim.=0A
