[192217] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Josh Reynolds)
Sat Oct 22 18:38:52 2016
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From: Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 17:36:49 -0500
To: Mark Foster <blakjak@blakjak.net>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
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On Oct 22, 2016 5:32 PM, "Mark Foster" <blakjak@blakjak.net> wrote:
> The person who owns the internet connection still has responsibility for
> what happens on it.
>
> So if the owners are educated to select reputable brands in order to
> prevent themselves from being implicated in a DDoS and liable for a fine or
> some other punitive thing, they 'vote with their feet' and the
> fly-by-nighters suddenly lose a chunk of marketshare, unless they up their
> game?
>
> I'm as sympathetic to Aunty Em and Grandma as the next
> I-started-on-a-helpdesk guys, but 'you get what you pay for' applies here
> as much as it does everywhere else...?
>
>
> On 23/10/2016 11:22 a.m., Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
>> And then what? The labor to clean up this mess is not free. Who's
>> responsibility is it? The grandma who got a webcam for Christmas to watch
>> the squirrels? The ISP?... No... The vendor? What if the vendor had
>> released a patch to fix the issue months back, and grandma hadn't
>> installed
>> it?
>>
>> Making grandma and auntie Em responsible for the IT things in their house
>> is likely not going to go well.
>>
>> Making the vendor responsible might work for the reputable ones to a
>> point,
>> but won't work for the fly by night shops that will sell the same products
>> under different company names and model names until they get sued or "one
>> starred" into oblivion. Then they just change names and start all over.
>>
>> The ISPs won't do it because of the cost to fix... The labor and potential
>> loss of customers.
>>
>> So once identified, how do you suggest this gets fixed?
>>
>
> *snip*
>
