[190858] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Naslund, Steve)
Thu Jul 28 20:34:50 2016
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund@medline.com>
To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:26:26 +0000
In-Reply-To: <20160728171708.GA87119@e-fensive.net>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
You obviously have a much shorter Internet memory than some of the engineer=
s on here that have had a long history of killing off and blacklisting vari=
ous spam and malware operations over the years. I think the one thing that=
has changed is that the service providers are now large corporate entities=
that do not take going to war with each other as lightly as we did back in=
the day.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
>-----Original Message-----
>From: J. Oquendo [mailto:joquendo@e-fensive.net]=20
>Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 12:17 PM
>To: Phil Rosenthal
>Cc: Naslund, Steve; nanog@nanog.org
>Subject: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks
>
>
>While many are chanting: #NetworkLivesMatter, I have yet to see, read, or =
hear about any network provider being the first to set precedence by either=
de-peering, or blocking traffic from Cloudflare. There is a lot of keyboar=
d >posturing: "I am mad and I am not going to take it anymore" hooplah but =
no one is lifting a finger to do anything other than regurgitate "I am mad.=
.. This is criminal."
>
>Government in the US is not going to get involved as the financial cost wo=
n't warrant an investigation. Would you spend $100 to tow a car worth $1. C=
loudflare, Amazon, Rackspace, and countless others are, and have been allow=
ing the >same thing since the dawn of their creation and network operators.=
.. Shame on you for allowing it.
>
>It is legal? Is it moral? Does it serve a real world benefit? (booters). L=
et's get real these booters serve little purpose. Anyone can go back to rom=
per room and do the simple math: I have a 100mb pipe, if someone sends me 2=
00mb >will it flood me? A pre-schooler can give anyone the answer. Yet here=
is everyone chiming in on legal matters when not one respondent that I hav=
e seen is a lawyer.
>
>I wrote about this in my rambling which is linked in the NANOG LinkedIn gr=
oup: "Why Do Networking Providers Like Cybercriminals So Much" and the resp=
onses I have read on this thread, make me believe it more so. Networking op=
erators >could give a rats ass about doing anything about DDoS, viruses. et=
c., since it is a source of revenue down the daisy chain. Like it or not. I=
would be surprised if ANYONE in this NOG, or any other "NOG" de-peered out=
of principle. >With that said, I don't even know why this thread is being =
continued.=20
>
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>J. Oquendo
>SGFA, SGFE, C|EH, CNDA, CHFI, OSCP, CPT, RWSP, GREM
