[190816] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: EVERYTHING about Booters (and CloudFlare)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu)
Wed Jul 27 21:01:40 2016
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
To: Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org>
From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
In-Reply-To: <20160728004847.216944F976B0@rock.dv.isc.org>
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 21:01:21 -0400
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>, bzs@theworld.com
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:48:47 +1000, Mark Andrews said:
> As soon as a transaction takes place, conspiricy to harm <X> by
> <Y>. If the DoS actually occurs you can add additional charges for
> the actual actions.
If the claim is that a law has been broken, you have to show that <Y> is
actually a crime in the jurisdiction involved. If it's a civil claim, in
general only <X> will have standing to actually file suit. That's a big chunk
of the problem - the gamer who ticked off another gamer and got DDoSed doesn't
have the knowledge, time, or resources to file a claim that will actually
accomplish anything, and nobody else can file the claim on their behalf.
> This is no different conceptually to hiring a thug to take a baseball
> bat to a place. You can be charged for consipiricy to commit a
> crime even if the crime does not occur.
Bringing a baseball bat to a place isn't usually in and of itself
illegal. Thug A may bring a bat to someplace, but absent evidence that
Thug B will then use said bat for nefarious purposes, you're still left
with nothing. You have to draw *all* the dots, Mark. :)
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