[190785] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: EVERYTHING about Booters (and CloudFlare)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steve Mikulasik)
Wed Jul 27 11:10:44 2016
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From: Steve Mikulasik <Steve.Mikulasik@civeo.com>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>, Paras Jha <paras@protrafsolutions.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:09:51 +0000
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I am sure a lawyer would see it very differently, I could see someone looki=
ng at this like racketeering. They get paid to provide a service to defend =
against DDoS, well knowingly hosting people who conduct DDoS attacks. Cloud=
flare profits from both the victims and the criminals. If Cloudflare isn't =
acting in good faith to shut down these sites when they receive evidence th=
ey are bad actors, they could find themselves in a bit of trouble.=20
At this point Cloudflare would know that these bad actors are hosted on the=
ir service since we know many Cloudflare employees subscribe to the NANOG l=
ist, and the list of bad actors would now show up in their email server, re=
ady for legal discovery.
Disclaimer: I have a ton of respect for Clouldflare and what they do on the=
internet.=20
-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bush
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 8:56 AM
To: Paras Jha <paras@protrafsolutions.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: EVERYTHING about Booters (and CloudFlare)
> I suppose it's inevitable, given that both are known for having=20
> non-existent abuse departments.
as the OP made pretty clear, it's not a matter of an abuse contact.
it is the service not acting as a law enforcement agency and asking for a c=
ourt order. most large service providers operate in that way.
randy
