[190765] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: cloudflare hosting a ddos service?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (jim deleskie)
Tue Jul 26 22:24:52 2016
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <6A7C9E2E-9D39-4D14-8671-FB13BA33F39B@isprime.com>
From: jim deleskie <deleskie@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 23:19:37 -0300
To: Phil Rosenthal <pr@isprime.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Back in the day didn't we refer to such hosting as bulletproof hosting?
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Phil Rosenthal <pr@isprime.com> wrote:
> Plus, it=E2=80=99s good for business!
>
> -Phil
>
> > On Jul 26, 2016, at 10:14 PM, jim deleskie <deleskie@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > sigh...
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net=
>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> CloudFlare will claim they are not hosting the problem. They are just
> >> hosting the web page that lets you pay for or points at or otherwise
> >> directs you to the problem.
> >>
> >> The actual source of packets is some other IP address. Therefore, they
> can
> >> keep hosting the web page. It is not sending the actual
> >> [spam|DDoS|hack|etc.], right? So stop asking them to do something abou=
t
> it!
> >>
> >> Whether you think that is the proper way to provide service on the
> >> Internet is left as an exercise to the reader.
> >>
> >> --
> >> TTFN,
> >> patrick
> >>
> >>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 9:49 PM, Mike <mike-nanog@tiedyenetworks.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> So vbooter.org's dns and web is hosted by cloudflare?
> >>>
> >>> "Using vBooter you can take down home internet connections, websites
> and
> >> game servers such us Minecraft, XBOX Live, PSN and many more."
> >>>
> >>> dig -t ns vbooter.org
> >>>
> >>> ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> -t ns vbooter.org
> >>> ;; global options: +cmd
> >>> ;; Got answer:
> >>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 62177
> >>> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
> >>>
> >>> ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
> >>> ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
> >>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> >>> ;vbooter.org. IN NS
> >>>
> >>> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> >>> vbooter.org. 21599 IN NS rick.ns.cloudflare.com.
> >>> vbooter.org. 21599 IN NS amy.ns.cloudflare.com.
> >>>
> >>> dig -t a www.vbooter.org
> >>>
> >>> ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> -t a www.vbooter.org
> >>> ;; global options: +cmd
> >>> ;; Got answer:
> >>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 34920
> >>> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
> >>>
> >>> ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
> >>> ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
> >>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> >>> ;www.vbooter.org. IN A
> >>>
> >>> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> >>> www.vbooter.org. 299 IN CNAME vbooter.org.
> >>> vbooter.org. 299 IN A 104.28.13.7
> >>> vbooter.org. 299 IN A 104.28.12.7
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone from cloudflare answer me why this fits with your busine=
ss
> >> model?
> >>>
> >>> Mike-
> >>
> >>
>
>
