[19037] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: BBN/GTEI
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jay R. Ashworth)
Tue Aug 25 13:36:50 1998
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:23:24 -0400
From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>
To: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.93.980822070656.1232J-100000@sidhe.memra.com>; from Michael Dillon <michael@memra.com> on Sat, Aug 22, 1998 at 07:13:22AM -0700
On Sat, Aug 22, 1998 at 07:13:22AM -0700, Michael Dillon wrote:
> > Pray someone doesn't write a call-back protocol, so traffic flows in
> > the opposite direction from the original initiator of the IP 'transaction'.
>
> FTP already does this. Nevertheless, the largest number of bytes still
> flows in the same direction as it would with HTTP. I think you are
> agreeing with me that the initiator of the transaction is irrelevant.
Michael, you've always struck me as one of the saner inhabitants of
this list -- which I guess really translates as "you and I almost
always have the same outlook on things" :-) -- but this must be where
we part company.
In the current context, which I would translate as "who is responsible
for the bytes moving over a link -- and therefore ought to pay for it",
it's pretty obvious to _me_ that if Exodus' customers are sending data
to GTEI's customers _because the latter requested it_, then Exodus
ought not, in equity, to be considered "responsible" for that data;
they were just doing as asked.
> I would go further and say that the customers of the peers and their actions
> are also irrelevant to the peering relationship.
On this, hoewver, I agree. The real breakage here is GETI attempting
to redefine "peering". The net got where it is today as a
"non-settlement" network. Any plan to change that would have to be
documented in about 50 pages for me to buy it.
Cheers,
-- jra
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