[190087] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mike Hammett)
Wed Jun 15 08:37:32 2016
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 07:37:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <CAB69EHi3D22RuC8R2bxG4-LejmDvxzrLL7TtxKpEAa=eAbvhwg@mail.gmail.com>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
I agree that the SIX is a fine organization, but the framework of the organ=
ization has little to do with the members getting screwed over. A non-profi=
t donation-based IX that doesn't produce results could be screwing its "cus=
tomers" over more than a MRC-based for-profit IX that does produce.=20
I also think that the individual merits of an organization or business mode=
l is pretty astray from the OP's original point (correct or not) about usin=
g the NANOG presentation platform for thinly veiled personal agenda.=20
-----=20
Mike Hammett=20
Intelligent Computing Solutions=20
http://www.ics-il.com=20
Midwest Internet Exchange=20
http://www.midwest-ix.com=20
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuhnke@gmail.com>=20
To: nanog@nanog.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:43:13 AM=20
Subject: Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing?=20
Re: Item #3 there, the Google Docs spreadsheet with the IX costs... Scroll=
=20
all the way down to the bottom in $/Mbps and you will find the SIX.=20
Everyone in the Pacific NW should appreciate the excellent work that the=20
SIX does. It's a nonprofit with transparency in its finances, a health cash=
=20
reserve for emergencies and new equipment and meets very stringent uptime=
=20
and reliability requirements.=20
ISP entities and enterprise end users 1000 km away from the SIX in random=
=20
locations in British Columbia, Montana, Utah and other western US states=20
benefit from it. People who have no idea what an IX is or how it functions=
=20
have better, faster and lower cost last mile Internet access thanks to=20
their local small ISP that has had the foresight to purchased a transport=
=20
circuit to Seattle to reach the SIX.=20
It is worth mentioning that the fine people at the NWAX in Portland are=20
working to build on the example set by the SIX, and are a 501(c)6=20
nonprofit: http://www.nwax.net/=20
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:=
=20
>=20
> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Matt Peterson <matt@peterson.org> wrote:=
=20
> >=20
> > This week at NANOG67, a presentation was given early on that did not=20
> > reflect well for our community at large.=20
>=20
> I think that the data presented was interesting but the style of=20
> the presenter and tone could have been different. It seemed=20
> to be a variant of =E2=80=9CThe Rent is Too Damn High=E2=80=9D[1] while i=
t can=20
> be interesting, there wasn=E2=80=99t a complete talk there IMHO.=20
>=20
> The feedback mechanism for this is honestly the survey[2]. I=E2=80=99m co=
nfident=20
> that the PC will take this input seriously and work with presenters=20
> in this regard.=20
>=20
> The IXP cost sheet[3] that is being maintained by Job I think gives an=20
> idea of the peering vs transit costs assuming various bitrates and=20
> list prices.=20
>=20
> The fates of IXPs and their roles will naturally resolve itself through=
=20
> market economics I suspect.=20
>=20
> - Jared=20
>=20
> - snip - links - snip -=20
> 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent_Is_Too_Damn_High_Party=20
> 2 - https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog67/survey=20
> 3 -=20
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18ztPX_ysWYqEhJlf2SKQQsTNRbkwoxPSf=
aC6ScEZAG8/edit#gid=3D0=20
