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Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Mon Jun 6 19:32:10 2016
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From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <2a51a7ac36d54b59b4c06a696358402b@pur-vm-exch13n2.ox.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 16:32:02 -0700
To: Matthew Huff <mhuff@ox.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
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While I think this may well be the reason for Netflix=E2=80=99s actions, =
do you have any evidence to back up this claim?
Actual evidence vs. just a very good educated guess and speculation =
could prove very useful in this circumstance.
Owen
> On Jun 6, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Matthew Huff <mhuff@ox.com> wrote:
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> Netflix IS acting in their user's best interest. In order to provide =
content that the user's want, the content providers have mandated that =
they do their due diligence to block out of region users including VPN =
and open tunnel access. As Hulu and Amazon prime become more popular and =
their contracts with the content provides come due, they will have to =
also.
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> You can argue about the content provides business model all you want, =
but Netflix has to do what they are doing. They aren't blocking IPv6 =
users, they are blocking users that are using VPNs and/or tunnels since =
their currently is no practical way of providing GEOIP information about =
that users that the content providers require.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Scott =
Morizot
>> Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 10:50 AM
>> To: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu>
>> Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
>> Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
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>> I have Hulu Plus and Amazon Prime. The only thing I would miss from
>> Netflix
>> is their Marvel original series. And I can live with that. I can't =
live
>> without my IPv6 enabled home network and Internet connection since
>> that's
>> an essential part of my job. (I'm the IPv6 transition technical lead
>> for a
>> large organization.) While I actually manage my home internet gateway
>> through a linux server and have fine-grained control over the =
firewall
>> rules, I'm still debating whether I care enough about a handful of
>> series
>> to continue paying a company that is deliberately acting against its
>> users'
>> interests. Right now I'm leaning toward no. But I'll discuss it with =
my
>> wife before making a final decision.
>>=20
>> Scott
>>=20
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu>
>> wrote:
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>>>=20
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>>> On 6/Jun/16 01:45, Damian Menscher wrote:
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>>>>=20
>>>> Who are these non-technical Netflix users who accidentally stumbled
>> into
>>>> having a HE tunnel broker connection without their knowledge? I
>> wasn't
>>>> aware this sort of thing could happen without user consent, and
>> would
>>> like
>>>> to know if I'm wrong. Only thing I can imagine is if ISPs are
>> using HE
>>> as
>>>> a form of CGN.
>>>=20
>>> There are several networks around the world that rely on 6-in-4
>> because
>>> their local provider does not offer IPv6.
>>>=20
>>> Mark.
>>>=20
