[189698] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Sun Jun 5 17:59:32 2016
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From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAOZq8-idmdXK11uNnxcDubgBrQ2jEopNy7xjFuo3BVcQ4qXdyA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:59:27 -0700
To: Damian Menscher <menscher@gmail.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
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> On Jun 5, 2016, at 14:18 , Damian Menscher <menscher@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Baldur Norddahl =
<baldur.norddahl@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Den 4. jun. 2016 01.26 skrev "Cryptographrix" =
<cryptographrix@gmail.com>:
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>>> The information I'm getting from Netflix support now is explicitly
>> telling
>>> me to turn off IPv6 - someone might want to stop them before they
>>> completely kill US IPv6 adoption.
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>> Not allowing he.net tunnels is not killing ipv6. You just need need =
native
>> ipv6.
>>=20
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> This entire thread confuses me. Are there normal home users who are =
being
> blocked from Netflix because their ISP forces them through a HE VPN? =
Or is
> this massive thread just about a handful of geeks who think IPv6 is =
cool
> and insist they be allowed to use it despite not having it natively? =
I
> could certainly understand ISP concerns that they are receiving user
> complaints because they failed to provide native IPv6 (why not?), but
> whining that you've managed to create a non-standard network setup =
doesn't
> work with some providers seems a bit silly.
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> Damian
What is non-standard about an HE tunnel? It conforms to the relevant =
RFCs and
is a very common configuration widely deployed to many thousands of =
locations
around the internet.
It=E2=80=99s not that Netflix happens to not work with these tunnels, =
the problem is
that they are taking deliberate active steps to specifically block them.
Most likely, these steps are being taken at the behest of their content =
providers,
but to the best of my knowledge, that is merely speculation so far as I =
don=E2=80=99t
believe Netflix themselves have confirmed this. (It=E2=80=99s not =
unlikely that they are
unable to do so due to those same content providers likely insisting on =
these
requirements being considered proprietary information subject to NDA.)
So=E2=80=A6 I don=E2=80=99t know how many =E2=80=9Cnormal users=E2=80=9D =
use HE tunnels vs. =E2=80=9Cgeeks=E2=80=9D or how one
would go about defining the difference. I can tell you that there are an =
awful
lot of people using HE tunnels, and based on what I saw while working at =
HE,
I don=E2=80=99t believe they are all geeks. While I would say that geeks =
are a larger
fraction of the HE Tunnel using populace than of the general population, =
I=E2=80=99m
not sure to what extent. Probably a lot less than you think based on the
tone of your message.
I think that a provider that has specifically claimed to be an early =
adopter
supporting IPv6 and is now having their support department tell =
customers to
turn off IPv6 altogether is certainly noteworthy and not in a good way.
Further, if that provider is actively taking steps to damage previously =
working
IPv6 network configurations, that is also worthy of substantial negative
publicity.
I=E2=80=99m confused as to why you would think otherwise.
Owen
