[189654] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Fri Jun 3 20:35:52 2016
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From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAPPYGuw2h-oWdvZXA1ajq=cwj3r1r1=E+CG3C1HyBWqLh1wiww@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 17:35:33 -0700
To: Cryptographrix <cryptographrix@gmail.com>
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
I think the day that Netflix tells me to turn off IPv6 or doesn=E2=80=99t =
serve me content
because one of my routes to the internet for IPv6 is via an HE tunnel =
(the other
two are different tunnels, but all of my IPv4 also goes through tunnels) =
will be the
day I tell Netflix that I will turn them off instead.
Let=E2=80=99s face it folks, if we want to encourage Netflix to tell the =
content providers
to give up the silly geo-shit, then we have to stop patronizing channels =
that do
silly geo-shit.
The only real impact is to vote with your $$$ and tell the companies you =
are
unsubscribing from exactly why you are unsubscribing.
So far, I haven=E2=80=99t run into an issue where I couldn=E2=80=99t get =
what I wanted to watch
via a tunnel I was able to set up. When/If Netflix gets good enough to =
detect
and block my tunnel, I=E2=80=99ll stop using Netflix and stop paying =
them. I=E2=80=99ll also
make sure that they know why.
I=E2=80=99m sure if they lose enough customers for this reason, =
they=E2=80=99ll choose to do something
about it with their content providers. After all, the fewer subscribers =
Netflix has,
the less they pay the content providers, too.
Sure, nobody cares about my $10/month or whatever it=E2=80=99s up to =
these days, but if a
few thousand of us start walking off and it starts to look like a trend, =
it can
change things.
Owen
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 17:17 , Cryptographrix <cryptographrix@gmail.com> =
wrote:
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> Very true. Telling people to turn off IPv6 support through their =
customer
> service portal is completely infuriating for those that can't get IPv6
> through their ISP and need it.
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> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 8:13 PM Spencer Ryan <sryan@arbor.net> wrote:
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>> Yes but HE doesn't serve residential users directly. To a normal =
person HE
>> is no different than NTT/GTT/Verizon/Sprint/Any other transit =
carrier. They
>> may move the most v6 traffic, but Comcast is the largest ISP actually
>> getting v6 to end users.
>>=20
>>=20
>> *Spencer Ryan* | Senior Systems Administrator | sryan@arbor.net
>> *Arbor Networks*
>> +1.734.794.5033 (d) | +1.734.846.2053 (m)
>> www.arbornetworks.com
>>=20
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Cryptographrix =
<cryptographrix@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>=20
>>> I don't remember the source, but I do remember that even with =
Comcast's
>>> deployment, HE still represented the majority of IPv6 traffic in the =
US.
>>>=20
>>> Of course, it could just be a bunch of us heavy IPv6 users.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 8:03 PM Spencer Ryan <sryan@arbor.net> wrote:
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>>>> Comcast is near 100% on their DOCSIS network (Busniess and =
residential).
>>>> That should be the largest single ISP for IPv6 for end users in the =
USA.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> *Spencer Ryan* | Senior Systems Administrator | sryan@arbor.net
>>>> *Arbor Networks*
>>>> +1.734.794.5033 (d) | +1.734.846.2053 (m)
>>>> www.arbornetworks.com
>>>>=20
>>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Cryptographrix =
<cryptographrix@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Depends - how many US users have native IPv6 through their ISPs?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> If I remember correctly (I can't find the source at the moment), =
HE.net
>>>>> represents something like 70% of IPv6 traffic in the US.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> And yeah, not doing that - actually in the middle of an IPv6 =
project at
>>>>> work at the moment that's a bit important to me.
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>>>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:45 PM Baldur Norddahl <
>>>>> baldur.norddahl@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>> Den 4. jun. 2016 01.26 skrev "Cryptographrix" <
>>>>> cryptographrix@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> The information I'm getting from Netflix support now is =
explicitly
>>>>>> telling
>>>>>>> me to turn off IPv6 - someone might want to stop them before =
they
>>>>>>> completely kill US IPv6 adoption.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Not allowing he.net tunnels is not killing ipv6. You just need =
need
>>>>> native
>>>>>> ipv6.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On the other hand it would be nice if Netflix would try the other
>>>>> protocol
>>>>>> before blocking.
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