[18901] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: BBN/GTEI
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Karl Denninger)
Fri Aug 21 19:04:05 1998
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:53:10 -0500
From: Karl Denninger <karl@mcs.net>
To: Michael Dillon <michael@memra.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.93.980821152743.701w-100000@sidhe.memra.com>; from Michael Dillon on Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 03:36:08PM -0700
On Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 03:36:08PM -0700, Michael Dillon wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Karl Denninger wrote:
>
> > In fact, what you're advocating is billing the sender for *solicited data*
> > from the recipient's point of view!
>
> Not at all. I am advocating paying for transit.
On the contrary.
If I buy a DS1 for transit from your network, I'm expecting the person I pay
to provide transit - ALL OF THE TRANSIT.
That's what I'm buying!
Now what you're saying is that "oh, no, that's not really what you bought"!
I'm sure the thousands of DS-1 connected CUSTOMERS (that is, transit
purchasers) will find this a very, very interesting interpretation.
> Regardless of whether my proposed solution is the correct one or just a
> bad idea produced by indigestion, you cannot deny that the asymmetry
> between networks is increasing as network providers specialize the
> services they offer. The old-fashioned rough-cut peering is becoming more
> and more unsuitable as the only peering option. We need new ways to do
> this. Somebody has to take the first step. Somebody has to be a pioneer.
No, its actually becoming MORE suitable. Instead of burning the entire
circuit in both directions, you're only burning half of it now (one
direction).
> The details can always be hashed out later.
You're simply wrong, once again.
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