[188639] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Hugo Slabbert)
Mon Apr 11 13:11:45 2016
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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:11:40 -0700
From: Hugo Slabbert <hugo@slabnet.com>
To: Ken Chase <math@sizone.org>
In-Reply-To: <20160411170214.GF26501@sizone.org>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
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On Mon 2016-Apr-11 13:02:14 -0400, Ken Chase <math@sizone.org> wrote:
>TL;DR: GeoIP put unknown IP location mappings to the 'center of the countr=
y'
>but then rounded off the lat long so it points at this farm.
>
>Cant believe law enforcement is using this kind of info to execute searche=
s.
>Wouldnt that undermine the credibility of any evidence brought up in trials
>for any geoip locates?
>
>Seems to me locating unknowns somewhere in the middle of a big lake or par=
k in
>the center of the country might be a better idea.
=2E..how about actually marking an unknown as...oh, I dunno: "unknown"? Is=
=20
there no analogue in the GeoIP lookups for a 404?
>
>/kc
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>On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 11:55:11AM -0500, Chris Boyd said:
> >
> >Interesting article.
> >
> >http://fusion.net/story/287592/internet-mapping-glitch-kansas-farm/
> >
> >An hour???s drive from Wichita, Kansas, in a little town called Potwin,
> >there is a 360-acre piece of land with a very big problem.
> >
> >The plot has been owned by the Vogelman family for more than a hundred
> >years, though the current owner, Joyce Taylor n??e Vogelman, 82, now
> >rents it out. The acreage is quiet and remote: a farm, a pasture, an old
> >orchard, two barns, some hog shacks and a two-story house. It???s the k=
ind
> >of place you move to if you want to get away from it all. The nearest
> >neighbor is a mile away, and the closest big town has just 13,000
> >people. It is real, rural America; in fact, it???s a two-hour drive from
> >the exact geographical center of the United States.
> >
> >But instead of being a place of respite, the people who live on Joyce
> >Taylor???s land find themselves in a technological horror story.
> >
> >
> >For the last decade, Taylor and her renters have been visited by all
> >kinds of mysterious trouble. They???ve been accused of being identity
> >thieves, spammers, scammers and fraudsters. They???ve gotten visited by
> >FBI agents, federal marshals, IRS collectors, ambulances searching for
> >suicidal veterans, and police officers searching for runaway children.
> >They???ve found people scrounging around in their barn. The renters have
> >been doxxed, their names and addresses posted on the internet by
> >vigilantes. Once, someone left a broken toilet in the driveway as a
> >strange, indefinite threat.
> >
> >--Chris
> >
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